Canabis
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Canabis - No!
This is a minefield! Many people here who are holders of some obvious intelligence, would say yes it should; others of the same level of intelligence would say no. I am of the latter and the reasons are more far reaching than you may first think. Lets take the following scenario: Joe get illegal pot; he takes it/smokes it - then he goes out into his car and hits/kills someone. The insurances concerned will not pay out, or if they do, the premiums will rocket to cover this new "distraction" to car driving. Then along comes someone and legalises it. Now we have the problem that the Insurance companies will increase premiums before Joe has his accident. If one of mine was killed/maimed/injured by a pot smoking driver - I would kill him!!
This is a minefield! Many people here who are holders of some obvious intelligence, would say yes it should; others of the same level of intelligence would say no. I am of the latter and the reasons are more far reaching than you may first think. Lets take the following scenario: Joe get illegal pot; he takes it/smokes it - then he goes out into his car and hits/kills someone. The insurances concerned will not pay out, or if they do, the premiums will rocket to cover this new "distraction" to car driving. Then along comes someone and legalises it. Now we have the problem that the Insurance companies will increase premiums before Joe has his accident. If one of mine was killed/maimed/injured by a pot smoking driver - I would kill him!!
kmguru
Staff member
The real solution is Control it as a drug but decriminalize it. That is you can not buy antibiotics in the open market without a prescription. But you can not go to jail if you have a few pills out of the bottle.
Marijuana, Alcohol, Amitriptyline, Codeine...what is the difference? Guess which one is made by God....(you religious folks!)
Marijuana, Alcohol, Amitriptyline, Codeine...what is the difference? Guess which one is made by God....(you religious folks!)
Responsibility.
Is always the the greatest factor, in usig any drug, in running your life, in everything. There is no point in making a drug like cannabis illegal, its just pure fear from the goverments side. Because it opens up peoples mind, makes them think in different paths, than they would do on alcohol. Alcohol is an extremely stupifying drug, that is why it is allowed, among with soaps on television. Then the goverment has us right were they want us! I believe it would be a much more peaceful society if cannabis was legal and socially accepted. The issue is not really to not legalize it because stupid people might use it in the wrong way, but to take responsibility of all your actions. And too teach this to children too. Responsibility.
Is always the the greatest factor, in usig any drug, in running your life, in everything. There is no point in making a drug like cannabis illegal, its just pure fear from the goverments side. Because it opens up peoples mind, makes them think in different paths, than they would do on alcohol. Alcohol is an extremely stupifying drug, that is why it is allowed, among with soaps on television. Then the goverment has us right were they want us! I believe it would be a much more peaceful society if cannabis was legal and socially accepted. The issue is not really to not legalize it because stupid people might use it in the wrong way, but to take responsibility of all your actions. And too teach this to children too. Responsibility.
kmguru
Staff member
Hi. Chagur:
You are definitely loosing some brain cells. It is more empty than dense!
Marijuana have been in nature before the human civilization. The ten commandment did not say "Thou shalt not consume Marijuana". Yes some people abuse it, but it is not a highly addctive substance like Opium where entire society can get devastated. (The Bristish did it to the Chinese on Opium....but that is another story).
I would put Marijuana at the same level as Alcohol (I do not consume either). And I think Alcohol should be banned - because it is not a food to sustain ones life but causes wife beating, accidents (DUI) and so on. At least Marijuana user is so mellow that even the wife can beat him up. So, if Alcohol is under the grandfather clause and we want to keep it but restrict the use, why not Marijuana? And about crime - Prohibition causes crime.
I do not have any specific love for Marijuana. It is that we spend too much money to eradicate it and the cost to society is too much. So, I think the laws should be changed to reflect the society of the future from the past.
Does anyone know how much money we spend to enforce the laws and in eradication and interdiction related to Marijuana?
You are definitely loosing some brain cells. It is more empty than dense!
Marijuana have been in nature before the human civilization. The ten commandment did not say "Thou shalt not consume Marijuana". Yes some people abuse it, but it is not a highly addctive substance like Opium where entire society can get devastated. (The Bristish did it to the Chinese on Opium....but that is another story).
I would put Marijuana at the same level as Alcohol (I do not consume either). And I think Alcohol should be banned - because it is not a food to sustain ones life but causes wife beating, accidents (DUI) and so on. At least Marijuana user is so mellow that even the wife can beat him up. So, if Alcohol is under the grandfather clause and we want to keep it but restrict the use, why not Marijuana? And about crime - Prohibition causes crime.
I do not have any specific love for Marijuana. It is that we spend too much money to eradicate it and the cost to society is too much. So, I think the laws should be changed to reflect the society of the future from the past.
Does anyone know how much money we spend to enforce the laws and in eradication and interdiction related to Marijuana?
kmguru
Staff member
I am sorry Bebelina, canabis does stupify ones brain rather than opening up. People take it to mellow out i.e. to reduce the cortisol level in the blood (which is caused from stress!).
There is an epidemic of Stress related disorders and soon we will have drugs that work as Canabis. You will pay about one to five dollar per pill. By keeping Canabis out of the market, drug companies can make the profit....pay taxes.....
There is an epidemic of Stress related disorders and soon we will have drugs that work as Canabis. You will pay about one to five dollar per pill. By keeping Canabis out of the market, drug companies can make the profit....pay taxes.....
How many car accidents have you heard of that involved pot? How many husbands get high and then beat their wives? How many serial rapists can find the hurtful energy to do what they do while stoned? Be serious. Do your homework. Lack of information is the whole reason behind the controvery of legalising marijuana. We are fed information from 'experts', take it for granted that they are telling the truth and then pass judgment. Do your own research, find out for yourself.
And the United States Governement spend Billions of dollars every year to 'educate' the population of the dangers of pot.
And the United States Governement spend Billions of dollars every year to 'educate' the population of the dangers of pot.
kmguru
Staff member
I asked God....
I asked God to help me out here. He said, he thought about making an alcohol fruit like the coconut, with pure 120 proof, so that man does not have to start a moonshine plant, but decided against it.
Louis Pasteur in the 19th century used the term fermentation in a narrow sense to describe the changes brought about by yeasts and other microorganisms growing in the absence of air (anaerobically); he also recognized that ethyl alcohol and carbon dioxide are not the only products of fermentation.
In the 1920s it was discovered that extracts of muscle catalyze, in the absence of air, the formation of lactate from glucose and that the same intermediate compounds formed in the fermentation of grain are produced by muscle. An important generalization thus emerged: that fermentation reactions are not peculiar to the action of yeast but also occur in many other instances of glucose utilization.
So I agree with you, the process of getting alcohol is natural and so is sugar and a whole lot of stuff. So what?
Staying with the topic for a moment and without running of in a tangent, what is your views whether Canabis should be decriminalized or not? and why?
I asked God to help me out here. He said, he thought about making an alcohol fruit like the coconut, with pure 120 proof, so that man does not have to start a moonshine plant, but decided against it.
Louis Pasteur in the 19th century used the term fermentation in a narrow sense to describe the changes brought about by yeasts and other microorganisms growing in the absence of air (anaerobically); he also recognized that ethyl alcohol and carbon dioxide are not the only products of fermentation.
In the 1920s it was discovered that extracts of muscle catalyze, in the absence of air, the formation of lactate from glucose and that the same intermediate compounds formed in the fermentation of grain are produced by muscle. An important generalization thus emerged: that fermentation reactions are not peculiar to the action of yeast but also occur in many other instances of glucose utilization.
So I agree with you, the process of getting alcohol is natural and so is sugar and a whole lot of stuff. So what?
Staying with the topic for a moment and without running of in a tangent, what is your views whether Canabis should be decriminalized or not? and why?
I've had discussions with friends and coworkers about legalizing marijuana and one of them happened to make an interesting statement. MJ is good at relieving symptoms of glaucoma and cancer treatment. Her reasoning for the difficulty of legalizing MJ is because it occurs naturally and because it does, the drug companies can't get a patent for it. Therefore, they would lose millions if it was legalized because people would buy that instead of using the companies patented chemical cocktails that have unknown long term effects.
Shadow
Shadow
As governments and police forces become more enlightened and realistic, I think we will find cannabis becoming widely decriminalised and eventually legalised in most of the western world within a few more generations. Decriminalisation already exists in parts of Europe and even staid old England has started a decriminalisation experiment in a part of London. Last week a government MP hinted that cannabis would be legalised if Labour get into office again at the next general elections.
The worst, most dangerous and antisocial problem of cannabis is the fact that it is illegal.
A user has to go out in secrecy and 'score', usually from unsavoury characters whom the individual would never normally associate with. Here there is access to more dangerous drugs and more unsavoury characters and attitudes. Ganja heads should never have to mix with drug dealers and gangsters.
A user usually has to mix his expensively bought illicit drug with plenty of nicotine laden tobacco, simply because it is not economically viable to smoke straight herb, unless one is growing lots of it for themselves. Addiction to cannabis is actually addiction to tobacco.
A user (some times in a group) has to take his drug in total secrecy for fear of getting busted. He can't express his ideas and philosophies fully to straight society, without mentioning the profound spiritual, intellectual and creative effects that cannabis has enchanted on his whole being and so he tends not to. Alienation is actually caused by the secrecy and the lack of like minded/experienced people.
Why?
When it comes to illicit drugs, marijuana users usually fall into two camps. In one, only ganja is allowed, in the other, anything goes.
The ganja-only-heads take it because it enhances creativity, imagination, clarity of thought, sex, appetite, relaxation, concentration, wisdom, sleep, dreams etc. (according to ones natural faculties) or it may be for therapeutic and medical reasons. The others take it because it's just another drug to get wasted on! Ok I'm just being a ganja snob, I'm sure that every illicit drug offers something positive to the user. at least for a time, but the long term effects of most other drugs are not entirely healthy.
What I'm trying to say, is that by banning cannabis, governments are criminalising otherwise perfectly ordinary people and depriving them of a massively understudied but profoundly beneficial aid to society as a whole.
The general drug users/abusers won't stop whether cannabis is legal or not, so why keep the sheep in the wolves pen?
The worst, most dangerous and antisocial problem of cannabis is the fact that it is illegal.
A user has to go out in secrecy and 'score', usually from unsavoury characters whom the individual would never normally associate with. Here there is access to more dangerous drugs and more unsavoury characters and attitudes. Ganja heads should never have to mix with drug dealers and gangsters.
A user usually has to mix his expensively bought illicit drug with plenty of nicotine laden tobacco, simply because it is not economically viable to smoke straight herb, unless one is growing lots of it for themselves. Addiction to cannabis is actually addiction to tobacco.
A user (some times in a group) has to take his drug in total secrecy for fear of getting busted. He can't express his ideas and philosophies fully to straight society, without mentioning the profound spiritual, intellectual and creative effects that cannabis has enchanted on his whole being and so he tends not to. Alienation is actually caused by the secrecy and the lack of like minded/experienced people.
Why?
When it comes to illicit drugs, marijuana users usually fall into two camps. In one, only ganja is allowed, in the other, anything goes.
The ganja-only-heads take it because it enhances creativity, imagination, clarity of thought, sex, appetite, relaxation, concentration, wisdom, sleep, dreams etc. (according to ones natural faculties) or it may be for therapeutic and medical reasons. The others take it because it's just another drug to get wasted on! Ok I'm just being a ganja snob, I'm sure that every illicit drug offers something positive to the user. at least for a time, but the long term effects of most other drugs are not entirely healthy.
What I'm trying to say, is that by banning cannabis, governments are criminalising otherwise perfectly ordinary people and depriving them of a massively understudied but profoundly beneficial aid to society as a whole.
The general drug users/abusers won't stop whether cannabis is legal or not, so why keep the sheep in the wolves pen?