Can Satan repent?
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Dennis Tate
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Yes, but all that is metaphorical. Eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge is a metaphor of an evolving brain able to think abstractly. There is no evidence of a tree that imbues intelligence when you eat of its fruit, but there is strong evidence of an evolutionary process that reslted in a larger more complex brain.
I believe the causal event occurred when two chromosomes in an ancestral hominid fused and mutated in a single but much longer chromosome. The proof of this lies in the fact that only humans have 46 chromosomes while all other hominids have 48 chromosomes.
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Conclusion http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
The Book of Jasher has an interesting story about the origin of Chimpanzees and other monkeys in verse thirty five of chapter nine.
Dennis Tate
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Some of the ancient books, such as the Book of Jasher have statements that indicate genetic manipulation took place before the time of Noah. If that is true then the implications for the next century are kind of huge.
Write4U
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It's in the religion sub-forum.
And I hope that I am making a decent case against what may be a + 100,000 yr old belief system..
This stuff is hard wired now and will need persuasive arguments to place mythology in its proper perspective.
IMO, Dennis is a very decent and reasonable person, who's spiritual beliefs are used for positive purpose. That counts in my book.
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Dennis Tate
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One near death experiencer was shown that the Elohim of Genesis chapter one verse twenty six and twenty seven are the Seven Spirits of God, but they are twins, each a male and a female pair, so fourteen Elohim in total.
Every human spirit is like a small clone from one of the fourteen Elohim.
What our human spirit actually is is kind of shocking to those who have been shown.
Former Atheist Mellen Benedict was shown that the Creator is within each human... and within all life forms actually..... learning empathy and compassion and gaining wisdom.
I guess the religious angle wasn't enough now we have to go to the science fiction angle?
I'm going to go ahead and put you on ignore since your excessive posting of religious/pseudoscience/near death fantasies are just to silly. I am interested in science discussions.
Dennis Tate
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Good idea... because although I admit that I may be wrong.... I do strongly suspect that Stanley Milgram Lucifer Satan did indeed learn a lot from some variation of the Stanley Milgram Ph. D. research..... even in the first time line.......
(example of Applied Multiverse Theory).....
that is indicated in some studies on parapsychology, (Helen Wambach Ph.D. and Dr. Chet Snow to name two)!
Dennis Tate
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After the 1:23:55 mark in this amazing video by two time near death experiencer Rabbi Alon Anava is an account that reminds me of some of the descriptions of former Covering Cherub Halel who became Lucifer to Christians.
He talks about a massive angel of death with wings causing extremely scary darkness over Israel at a point in time in the future. If this scary huge and dark angel corresponds to Isaiah chapter fourteen and Ezekiel chapter twenty eight then it seems like his simple message indicates that he has been humbled..... and seems to have returned to his Creator..... and seems to want humans at the time of this event to repent and acknowledge the G-d of Abraham????
"Ein Oid Mil Va Doh!" (pardon my spelling).
"There is NOBODY but H-m!!!!"
Rabbi Alon Anava takes the message as a rebuke of IDOLATRY in the many ways that we do this.
Rabbi Anava's 2nd Near Death Experience! And the message we need to be focusing on!
This account has me asking some truly unusual questions that will be offensive to Christians and Atheists as well.
Psalms 18:10
"And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind."
"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war." (Revelation 19:11)
Does Messiah of Revelation 19 fulfill Zechariah 14 after a Covering Cherub who went off into worship of SELF transforms into a repentant white horse with wings who terrifies all the world into genuine repentance and humility??????????
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/isa/2?lang=eng
He talks about a massive angel of death with wings causing extremely scary darkness over Israel at a point in time in the future. If this scary huge and dark angel corresponds to Isaiah chapter fourteen and Ezekiel chapter twenty eight then it seems like his simple message indicates that he has been humbled..... and seems to have returned to his Creator..... and seems to want humans at the time of this event to repent and acknowledge the G-d of Abraham????
"Ein Oid Mil Va Doh!" (pardon my spelling).
"There is NOBODY but H-m!!!!"
Rabbi Alon Anava takes the message as a rebuke of IDOLATRY in the many ways that we do this.
This account has me asking some truly unusual questions that will be offensive to Christians and Atheists as well.
Psalms 18:10
"And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: yea, he did fly upon the wings of the wind."
"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war." (Revelation 19:11)
Does Messiah of Revelation 19 fulfill Zechariah 14 after a Covering Cherub who went off into worship of SELF transforms into a repentant white horse with wings who terrifies all the world into genuine repentance and humility??????????
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/ot/isa/2?lang=eng
Dennis Tate
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Thank you for that comment.... a lot of us have gone through times where we felt pretty much the same way.
I personally went through a time of being really angry with the G-d portrayed in the Christian scriptures just by reading that "many are called but few chosen."
That idea offended me profoundly but since then I have became convinced that a brilliant plan is in place and all of us volunteered before our conception to go up against the greatest deceivers in the universe / multiverse due to the beauty of what can come to pass when all of this is viewed in terms of their actually being eleven dimensions of space and time... . as opposed to merely four dimensions.
Helen Wambach Ph. D. in her second book did quite a job of explaining about us volunteering years and even decades before we were even conceived to tackle really heart breaking challenges during our lifetimes because of the long term good that could be accomplished when all of this is viewed in terms of a higher purpose being worked out especially in the invisible dimensions that we cannot yet see.
And what if you're wrong?
Dennis Tate
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Even if I am seriously in error I prefer this over where I was at back in 1988
when I was convinced of the Soul Sleep Theory.
Near death experiencer Dr. George Ritchie in 1943 was shown what was happening in four
higher dimensions during his experience and what can appear to be chaos here in four dimensional space and time.....
and even in five dimensional space and time.... seemed to make sense once the sixth, seventh and eighth higher
invisible dimension was factored into the whole formula. (At least that is my understanding at this time of his
testimony of his NDE. He impressed me as being sincere about the whole thing).
Dennis Tate
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From what I have read I believe that there is something inside each human that is astonishingly ancient........
but....... infinite time can get boring so that eternal part of us volunteers to go into something that could be compared to
a hologram video game........
and we volunteer to face really, really, really terrible challenges.......
in order to learn lessons of eternal value that will prepare us to become competent psychological councillors to
some of the most guilt ridden life forms in the universe / multiverse.
Dennis Tate
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One reason to have a good healthy fear for a Being who may well have designed the universe / multiverse for us would be that that Being looks at everything from the perspective of a minimum of eleven dimensions of space and time..... (assuming at least some validity for String Theory).
Dennis Tate
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If I am wrong......
and if NDE accounts are at least somewhat valid in the sense that a part of us survives our physical death then......
... I am all set up to begin something of potential value even if I go toward the "left hand path" after I pass on.....
"I was there too back in 1990.....
and for what could be one of the strangest reasons as to why somebody would
ever put a bullet in a 30.30 and seriously consider pulling the trigger.
I went into such a serious philosophical crisis once I began to read near death experience accounts,
(especially the negative and scary ones).... that I decided to put in my own bid / wager / proposed investment
on the "debt / guilt of Azazel" that I thought was implied in Leviticus 16:10 in the original Hebrew that
the RSV was at least close to:
"but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD
to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness
to Aza'zel." (Leviticus 16:10)
I was taking a nutritional product that I was having a rather negative reaction to
and I was thinking about going to hell...... finding Azazel whoever Azazel was........
and dragging him up to heaven........
because I feel that G-d would never put his name in a verse of scriptures as a practical joke so
to my thinking his name in Levicitus chapter sixteen implied that Azazel would be like General Abner who
brought the ten tribes to King David.......
or like the Apostle Paul who gave up on persecuting Messianic Jews and instead joined them.
I felt that once Azazel would repent and return to the Word / Logos, the eldest of the Elohim, the kingdom of
Satan would be divided.... and would fall."
Write4U
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I appreciate the imaginary efforts in all of this. But is any of it necessary?
There is one Transcendent Truth and that is the Law of Necessity and Sufficiency.
The problem with all the proposed possible higher life forms than what we can observe is, none of them are Necessary, nor are they Sufficient as imagined by human minds.
There is one Transcendent Truth and that is the Law of Necessity and Sufficiency.
The problem with all the proposed possible higher life forms than what we can observe is, none of them are Necessary, nor are they Sufficient as imagined by human minds.
Dennis Tate
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What a fascinating question!
This is a question that I have never in my sixty one years heard worded quite that way!
I guess the best that I can do with this off the cuff is that IF.....
indeed there is any truth to the existence of higher invisible dimensions that are somewhat like
prison environments designed to protect the innocent from spiritual beings who have gone way off track... then....
perhaps all of this may well be somewhat necessary as a means of psychological counselling for those wayward spiritual beings????
Write4U
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Necessary for whom? If we are talking about the universe, are humans of any consequence or is all this moral speculation of a self-serving nature? A local phenomenon?