Breaking News: Netanyahu claims Israel has struck Iran's nuclear facilities !!!

[exchemist]

I did think it was "funny" that the Shah's son is now "willing" to come back and run a government if needed. As much as the people don't want the clerics, I don't think they want the "shah" either.

Yeah I saw that too. He’s irrelevant. I expect what they want is a replacement for this Guardian Council with some grouping that is a bit more open to the modern world. The current president may be OK but he’s hamstrung by the Serious Beards at the moment.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

Just read:

Iran's parliament votes to close Strait of Hormuz.

 

[Olga]

Or Iran could not get nuclear weapons and maybe there will be more peace in the Middle East with a beat down Iran and maybe even a new government at some point so better for the people.

I don't think the US is going to get dragged into this but we shall see. A few bombs isn't being dragged into it IMO.

А если Иран всё же получит ядерное оружие(ну, допустим его ему кто-нибудь даст), и ударит им по Израилю, или какой-нибудь военной базе США, то как тогда, по вашему мнению, будут развиваться события?

 

[Olga]

Just read:

Iran's parliament votes to close Strait of Hormuz.

Теперь ждите цен на нефть в районе 200$ за баррель. Через месяца 3 у Китая закончатся запасы, и начнутся проблемы в экономике. Ну, и в Европе само собой.

 

[billvon]

Change is possible however. There is no more USSR. Russia isn't a lot better but it's not the USSR. Germany was reunited.

Unless you have no hope, then it's hard to logically argue that there is no chance for change in Iran.

Oh I definitely agree Iran will change as a result of our actions. However I do not think we will like the changes.

 

[James R]

And if Iran does get nuclear weapons (well, let's say someone gives them to it), and strikes Israel with them, or some US military base, then how do you think events will develop?

I think things would go very badly for Iran and its leaders, after that.

Nuclear wars are not winnable. Any nation that is stupid enough to start a nuclear war will suffer untold losses of its own people, if it survives at all.

 

[Olga]

I think things would go very badly for Iran and its leaders, after that.

Nuclear wars are not winnable. Any nation that is stupid enough to start a nuclear war will suffer untold losses of its own people, if it survives at all.

Ну, во первых они фанатики, и предпочтут погибнуть, как мученики, и оказаться в Раю. Это они так думают. А во вторых, что мир может им противопоставить в этом случае? Начать бомбить в ответ? Это грозит началом всеобщей ядерной войны. Откуда, например, Россия узнает, куда полетят ядерные ракеты, выпущенные из других стран? Она зафиксирует их запуск, и будет ждать куда они приземлятся?

 

[C C]

Just read:

Iran's parliament votes to close Strait of Hormuz.

Benefit for Russia, as India has already increased oil imports from there. Iran's own economy would suffer from loss of fossil fuel sales. Presumably they can clean-up their own naval mines, but if they used that method it would still indicate a longer closure time than the historically short-lived ones. Especially if they left it to the US to expend its resources mopping up the mines. (Back to playing "world policeman" once again despite the de-globalization agenda or trend.)
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[geordief]

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[James R]

Well, first of all, they are fanatics, and they would prefer to die like martyrs and end up in Paradise.

That sounds like a good reason why nobody should be handing them nuclear weapons. Don't you agree?

And secondly, what can the world oppose to them in this case? Start bombing back?

Iran would certainly be bombed if it were to fire a nuclear missile at Israel or at any other nation. Not necessarily nuclear bombs. But the result would be that significant parts of Iran would be reduced to rubble. It would be necessary to ensure that Iran's capacity to launch any more missiles was negated, beyond doubt. Then it would be desirable to try to remove the leaders who ordered the missiles to be fired in the first place, to make sure they can't do the same thing in future.

This threatens the start of a general nuclear war.

Yes. That's another reason why it would insane, even for crazy Iranian theocrats, to start a nuclear war with Israel, or with anybody else.

How, for example, does Russia know where nuclear missiles fired from other countries will fly?

Russia used to be able to track missiles headed towards its territories. I assume it still has that capability.

It will record their launch, and wait for them to land?

If they were aimed at Iran, I assume they would. Putin is smart enough and sane enough not to start a global nuclear war, I hope. He would be aware and worried about the consequences for himself, even if he was not concerned about the Russian people in general.

 

[Olga]

That sounds like a good reason why nobody should be handing them nuclear weapons. Don't you agree?

Iran would certainly be bombed if it were to fire a nuclear missile at Israel or at any other nation. Not necessarily nuclear bombs. But the result would be that significant parts of Iran would be reduced to rubble. It would be necessary to ensure that Iran's capacity to launch any more missiles was negated, beyond doubt. Then it would be desirable to try to remove the leaders who ordered the missiles to be fired in the first place, to make sure they can't do the same thing in future.

Yes. That's another reason why it would insane, even for crazy Iranian theocrats, to start a nuclear war with Israel, or with anybody else.

Russia used to be able to track missiles headed towards its territories. I assume it still has that capability.

If they were aimed at Iran, I assume they would. Putin is smart enough and sane enough not to start a global nuclear war, I hope. He would be aware and worried about the consequences for himself, even if he was not concerned about the Russian people in general.

Я то согласна. Со мной не все согласны. Разве вы не слышали это: "мы в Рай, а они просто сдохнут"?

Иран не находится на пути следования ракет? Откуда Россия узнает, где ракеты сделают остановку?

 

[James R]

How will Russia know where the missiles will stop?

Didn't I just talk about tracking, to you?

 

[Olga]

Didn't I just talk about tracking, to you?

Говорил. Т.е. вы думаете, что сбивать ракеты будут только дождавшись момента, когда они пересекут государственную границу? Зачем нам это на своей территории?

 

[James R]

Said. That is, you think that missiles will be shot down only after waiting for the moment when they cross the state border?

I didn't say anything about missiles being shot down. What are you talking about, Olga?

Why do we need it on our territory?

Why do you need what? Missile tracking stations? They are useful for tracking missiles.

 

[Olga]

I didn't say anything about missiles being shot down. What are you talking about, Olga?

Why do you need what? Missile tracking stations? They are useful for tracking missiles.

Нет, я имела ввиду, что ракеты собьют раньше, чем они пересекут нашу границу. И пострадают другие страны, над территориями которых это произошло бы.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

Just read:

Russia is considering giving Iran nukes. Pakistan also.

 

[C C]

Just read:

Russia is considering giving Iran nukes. Pakistan also.

Cuban Missile Crisis #2. Israel wouldn't attempt to nuke Russia in a preemptive effort, and couldn't even reach NK and China. But it's certainly hot-headed and reckless enough to strike Tehran with one before the first gifts arrived in Iran.[1]

On the plus side, warheads and lesser nuclear devices aren't easily accommodated. Crews need to be trained to service them and facilities and equipment established for maintaining them. Impressive looking fakes could as much deter in a poker game.

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[1] Israel's weapon may not even be lethal, if it has never been tested. But the meteoroid hypothesis of the Vela incident hasn't really debunked the event as a secret nuclear test. Though Israel is just one of the possible candidates.
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[Olga]

Cuban Missile Crisis #2. Israel wouldn't attempt to nuke Russia in a preemptive effort, and couldn't even reach NK and China. But it's certainly hot-headed and reckless enough to strike Tehran with one before the first gifts arrived in Iran.

On the plus side, warheads and lesser nuclear devices aren't easily accommodated. Crews need to be trained to service them and facilities and equipment established for maintaining them. Impressive looking fakes could as much deter in a poker game.
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Подарки могут приехать с уже обученым персоналом в комплекте.

 

[TheVat]

I don't think Russia would ever give nukes to Iran. I think Medvedev is just running his mouth to help sell that Russia is supporting Iran. It is saber rattling to punctuate their support. Which would probably be money and conventional armaments, at most. The Russians are not insane. (except for Olga, who might be a little crazy)

 

[Olga]

I don't think Russia would ever give nukes to Iran. I think Medvedev is just running his mouth to help sell that Russia is supporting Iran. It is saber rattling to punctuate their support. Which would probably be money and conventional armaments, at most. The Russians are not insane. (except for Olga, who might be a little crazy)

Спасибо за комплимент, Теват! Вы умеете быть галантным.

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