Breaking News: Netanyahu claims Israel has struck Iran's nuclear facilities !!!

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Has the shit hit the fan ???
Nothing to go on yet but this X post by Beebs.

Statement by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
Prime Minister Netanyahu:

"Moments ago, Israel launched Operation Rising Lion, a targeted military operation to roll back the Iranian threat to Israel's very survival.

This operation will continue for as many days as it takes to remove this threat."
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It's on like fukkin' Donkey Kong...

Israel strikes Iran's nuclear program as U.S. denies involvement
Israel launched a massive wave of attacks across Iran on Thursday night, bombing nuclear and missile sites, targeting military leaders and nuclear scientists, and conducting covert sabotage operations on missile and air defense sites.
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Live Updates: Israeli Strikes Target Iran’s Nuclear Program
xplosions rocked Tehran early Friday morning, as Israel carried out a major attack on Iran intended to cripple the country’s nuclear program, Israeli officials said. The strikes raised fears the long-simmering conflict between the two countries could escalate into a war involving the most powerful militaries in the Middle East.

Residents of Tehran, the Iranian capital, reported hearing huge explosions, and Iranian state television broadcast images of smoke and fire billowing from buildings. One Iranian senior official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said Iran’s fighter jets had taken off to intercept the Israeli warplanes.
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Looks like the Iranian response is "only" drones for the time being. Maybe the intel was right. No capacity to nuke Israel just yet. But definitely coming down the pike, since Fordow is a half-mile deep. Even the GBU-57A/B MOP can "only" penetrate 61 meters of reinforced material.

The "Zionists" can keep destroying other facilities, assassinating nuclear scientists, military leaders, etc. But sooner or later, a final product will roll out. Only hope for Israel is a miracle bunker-buster delivered from the future, or a threat of their own nuclear retaliation deterring Iran. The latter can absorb more Cloud-9 mushrooms than tiny Israel, though.

Jerusalem is too holy and near the West Bank to annihilate. But Tel Aviv, the massive water infrastructure in the Negev Desert, yata-yata...
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В таких случаях всегда нужно смотреть кому выгодно. Цена на нефть уже подскочила до 75$ за баррель. Кому это выгодно? Кто живёт за счёт продажи ресурсов? Выгоните Чубайса из Израиля. Этого троянского коня.
 
I put this in the Trump 2.0 thread, but this part, at least, is probably more apt here:

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Marco Rubio issued a statement from inside Trump's ass: "Tonight, Israel took unilateral action against Iran. We are not involved in strikes against Iran and our top priority is protecting American forces in the region." (bolding mine).
However, it should be reminded that the US fund and arm Israel. And it is near inconceivable that Israel would make such attacks, against such targets, without US being aware and complicit. In fact, a senior US intelligence official is said to have revealed that the US provided real-time reconnaissance support to Israel before, during, and after the attacks. And that they used secure channels to coordinate every step. So, yeah, the US are not involved.
Furthermore, the Jersulaem Post reported that an Israeli official told them: "We presented the American administration with evidence of Iran's breakthrough toward a nuclear bomb. There was full and complete coordination with the Americans." (bolding mine).
So, yeah, the US are not involved.

Anyone feeling safer since Trump took office again?

What should also be remembered is that there was this little thing called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) that sought to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. The US, UK, France, China, Russia, and the EU had signed up to it, along, of course, with Iran. And all was proceeding well. Until 2018. When the US pulled out of the deal. Instead they imposed "maximum economic sanctions". No need to remind who was POTUS back in those giddy days of 2018.
Since then, without the support of the US for JCPOA, Iran have gradually reduced their compliance, and with that they have since been emboldened to accelerate their development of nuclear weapons. And thus to the current state of affairs.
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C C said:
Looks like the Iranian response is "only" drones for the time being. Maybe the intel was right. No capacity to nuke Israel just yet. But definitely coming down the pike, since Fordow is a half-mile deep. Even the GBU-57A/B MOP can "only" penetrate 61 meters of reinforced material.

The "Zionists" can keep destroying other facilities, assassinating nuclear scientists, military leaders, etc. But sooner or later, a final product will roll out. Only hope for Israel is a miracle bunker-buster delivered from the future, or a threat of their own nuclear retaliation deterring Iran. The latter can absorb more Cloud-9 mushrooms than tiny Israel, though.

Jerusalem is too holy and near the West Bank to annihilate. But Tel Aviv, the massive water infrastructure in the Negev Desert, yata-yata...
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Could the Fordow facility be neutralized a la the Allied attacks on Peenemunde during WW2 ?
Upon discovering that the Peenemunde launch facility was effectively impenetrable to bombing, the focus shifted to destroying the surrounding infrastructure which supported it. Of course, the Israelis aren't using hundreds of strategic bombers carpet-bombing the bejeezus out of the countryside, but if the Iranian facility's connection to the outside world could be severed...

Perhaps the Israelis are hoping for regime change in Iran putting a stop to their nuclear ambitions. Probably unlikely unless they manage to decapitate the current leadership so thoroughly that some major change occurs.
As to who can swallow more "red pills" - I'm thinking any Iranian nuclear strike on i
Israel means Tehran turns to glass.
We shall see...


Sarkus said:
I put this in the Trump 2.0 thread, but this part, at least, is probably more apt here:

"
Marco Rubio issued a statement from inside Trump's ass: "Tonight, Israel took unilateral action against Iran. We are not involved in strikes against Iran and our top priority is protecting American forces in the region." (bolding mine).
However, it should be reminded that the US fund and arm Israel. And it is near inconceivable that Israel would make such attacks, against such targets, without US being aware and complicit. In fact, a senior US intelligence official is said to have revealed that the US provided real-time reconnaissance support to Israel before, during, and after the attacks. And that they used secure channels to coordinate every step. So, yeah, the US are not involved.
Furthermore, the Jersulaem Post reported that an Israeli official told them: "We presented the American administration with evidence of Iran's breakthrough toward a nuclear bomb. There was full and complete coordination with the Americans." (bolding mine).
So, yeah, the US are not involved.

Anyone feeling safer since Trump took office again?

What should also be remembered is that there was this little thing called the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) that sought to prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons. The US, UK, France, China, Russia, and the EU had signed up to it, along, of course, with Iran. And all was proceeding well. Until 2018. When the US pulled out of the deal. Instead they imposed "maximum economic sanctions". No need to remind who was POTUS back in those giddy days of 2018.
Since then, without the support of the US for JCPOA, Iran have gradually reduced their compliance, and with that they have since been emboldened to accelerate their development of nuclear weapons. And thus to the current state of affairs.
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Hee!
The US "wasn't involved" - just like we ain't involved in any Ukrainian strikes on Russia...

Didn't the Iranians violate the JCPoA ?

Not that His Infernal Majesty's "maximum pressure" program was any more effective.


ольга said:
In such cases, you always need to look at who benefits. The price of oil has already jumped to $75 per barrel. Who benefits from this? Who lives off the sale of resources? Throw Chubais out of Israel. This Trojan horse.
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This thought occurred - but trying to jack up the price of oil seems to contradict the recent plans of OPEC nations to ramp up production, regardless of the reduction in price per barrel. Interesting to think that there's some sort of Russian involvement, since black gold is one of their main sources of spendolas.
The plot thickens...
 
Iran and others want to see Israel destroyed and the Jews wiped out. Many have said so. Under these circumstances I don't see Israel has any choice but to hit first and keep on hitting.
 
exchemist said:
Of course they won’t, any more than any other nuclear state - apart from the USA of course - has ever done.
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Many Muslims are insane. They believe, that if they kill the perceived enemy and die in the process, that they will go to heaven getting 72 virgins. So don't be so sure they wouldn't.
 
exchemist said:
That is ignorant, prejudiced bullshit of the first order. Clearly you have no experience of muslim people.
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У нас в России есть такой опыт общения. Как пример - недавний опыт в "Крокусе".
 
Killjoy said:
Could the Fordow facility be neutralized a la the Allied attacks on Peenemunde during WW2 ?
Upon discovering that the Peenemunde launch facility was effectively impenetrable to bombing, the focus shifted to destroying the surrounding infrastructure which supported it. Of course, the Israelis aren't using hundreds of strategic bombers carpet-bombing the bejeezus out of the countryside, but if the Iranian facility's connection to the outside world could be severed...
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Setting the most paranoid pessimism aside with respect to Iran's goals, it may not matter if they do go deep subterranean with the whole operational process, after this. Iran chiefly wants the nuclear option to dissuade anyone from attacking them in just this fashion. So that its ambition can continue unabated, to manufacture thousands of ordinary ballistic missiles for overwhelming Israel in a conventional manner. As well as allowing its sponsorship of terrorism around the region to prosper with less reprisal against it.

As analogy, North Korea has yet to exercise its nuclear ire about South Korea's discourtesy of existing. And Pakistan and India still play cat and mouse games with each other, in spite of the potential consequences. Ukraine already long since stepped over Russia's line in the sand, and no ultimate response.

So while both Iran and Israel having the nuclear option might mitigate traditional attacks somewhat, there could still be allowance for reciprocal "recreational activities" between the two, without necessarily triggering a mushroom drama.
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exchemist said:
That is ignorant, prejudiced bullshit of the first order. Clearly you have no experience of muslim people.
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But I read a lot from those that do. The muslims I have known were good people, but the conservative, orthodox religion is not good.

Truth is prejudice to those that refuse reality.
 
The predictable counter-attack has occurred :

Iran launches missiles at Israel, and some hit Tel Aviv, as Israel attacks Iranian nuclear sites and commanders

Warning sirens sounded across Israel on Friday as Iran fired dozens of ballistic missiles in a retaliatory attack after Israel launched overnight airstrikes. A second round of missiles targeted Israel a few hours later. Some made it through Israel's missile defense system, causing damage and injuries, though the full extent of the damage is not yet clear.

In the first round, about 100 missiles were fired from Iran in two salvos, officials said. Israel has a robust missile defense system known as the Iron Dome, which intercepted most of the missiles, the Israel Defense Forces said. The IDF reported a limited number of hits on structures, some from interception failures.
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Video and photos show a number of buildings damaged or on fire. The IDF reported that 21 people had been injured and two were in serious condition.

Dozens more missiles came in the next wave, and again the IDF said some, but not all, were intercepted. "Search and Rescue forces are currently operating in a number of locations across the country in which reports of fallen projectiles were received," the military said.
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C C said:
Setting the most paranoid pessimism aside with respect to Iran's goals, it may not matter if they do go deep subterranean with the whole operational process, after this. Iran chiefly wants the nuclear option to dissuade anyone from attacking them in just this fashion. So that its ambition can continue unabated, to manufacture thousands of ordinary ballistic missiles for overwhelming Israel in a conventional manner. As well as allowing its sponsorship of terrorism around the region to prosper with less reprisal against it.

As analogy, North Korea has yet to exercise its nuclear ire about South Korea's discourtesy of existing. And Pakistan and India still play cat and mouse games with each other, in spite of the potential consequences. Ukraine already long since stepped over Russia's line in the sand, and no ultimate response.

So while both Iran and Israel having the nuclear option might mitigate traditional attacks somewhat, there could still be allowance for reciprocal "recreational activities" between the two, without necessarily triggering a mushroom drama.
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I've read previous analyses which have stated that other nations want to join the "nuclear club" chiefly to have the ultimate weapon as a hedge against being threatened in any way, shape or form Then again, I recall the Iranians supposedly imprisoning and charging with treason one of their scientists after he began a campaign to educate the Iranian public on the actual aftermath of a nuclear detonation - since apparently the "average Joe" over there thought it produced nothing more than a big bang. I think if anybody's nutty enough to use the Red Pill, it's those Ayatollah types.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
But I read a lot from those that do. The muslims I have known were good people, but the conservative, orthodox religion is not good.

Truth is prejudice to those that refuse reality.
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The conservative, orthodox Islam is fine.

Political Islam, a c.20th recent development, can be problematic, cf. Al Qaeda et al. But even so, it is only a microscopic fraction of Muslims who are suicidal zealots.

And there is no evidence that that includes the Serious Beards who rule Iran today, still less the general Iranian population. If you look at the actions of Iran over recent decades you can see quite clearly that the leadership makes rational calculations.

(P.S. I lived in the Persian Gulf for 4 years, travelling to a number of muslim countries, and I now live in an area of South London with a large muslim population. These people are perfectly normal and just want to live in harmony with everybody else.)
 
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