Breaking: dozens of UFOs swarm over Milwaukee

DaveC426913

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This video is everywhere. If you get a bad feed just try another link.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/we...ee-Fox-6-TV-station-Wisconsin-broadcast-video

Note the quality of this incident:
- no fakery here, the feed is live, provenance= 100%
- actual news room, so not sketchy source
- multiple witnesses
- multiple targets, significant duration
- extremely recent


An excellent example of how banal things can appear exotic under the right conditions.

If this hadn't been solved, it would surely have stood out for decades as one of the highest confidence sightings on record.

And yet, it's not exotic.
 
http://www.syti.net/UFOSightings.html
How awful to find out a grossly incompetent NASA sent delusional crazies into space as among 'our best & finest'. Spaced-out fly-boys who couldn't figure that space seagulls can take various forms that in the right light can possibly seem like 'real UFO's'. Sad. Recruiting is hopefully much better these days.
 
Didn't catch the reference you quoted at first.

That's a new one
MR is saying mea culpa.

Venus is often the culprit common mis-sightings. That's what he's tongue-in-cheek referring to.
He believes that many sightings are passed off as totally mundane things.

This video is, metaphorically, Venus - an excellent example of a very exciting sighting - that turns out to be a mundane thing that we all recognize in better context.

In fact, we might call it 'The Venus Effect'. The tendency to witness mundane things that, in unexpected context, appear quite alien and mysterious.
 
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MR is saying mea culpa.

He's railed before that many sightings are passed off as totally mundane things. ("It's Venus" is the iconic one.)

But of course. this is, metaphorcially, Venus - an excellent example of a very exciting sighting - that turns out to be a mundane thing that we all recognize in better context. Exactly as skeptics have been saying.

In fact, we might call it 'The Venus Effect'. The tendency to witness mundane things that, in unexpected context, appear quite alien and mysterious.

Got it

You don't think there is a faint chance they could be alien seagulls?

:)
 
Hmm...no bites re my link in #5. OK I'll add now that article is typical of a mixed bag of some truth and mostly BS. In particular the claimed gobsmacked commentary by Aldrin and Armstrong to the effect UFO's were there on the moon to greet their Apollo XI arrival. Fails if for no other reason than the Hollywood style exclamations are totally out of keeping with established comms protocol.
The few personally confirmed accounts involve earlier encounters with UFO's where several to-be astronauts were airforce fighter and/or test pilots. Gordon Cooper, Donald Slayton, Robert White, Joseph A. Walker.
One maybe space UFO encounter caught on audio comms involved James Lovell and Frank Borman during their 1965 Gemini mission - 'Bogey at 10'clock high....'.
 
This video is everywhere.

It does look pretty cool.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/we...ee-Fox-6-TV-station-Wisconsin-broadcast-video

Note the quality of this incident:
- no fakery here, the feed is live, provenance= 100%
- actual news room, so not sketchy source

The chain of provenance does seem to be short. But I'm not sure that fakery is ruled out. Isn't fakery (albeit inadvertant and unintentional) the preferred mundane explanation for this? It's being attributed to a video artifact caused by photographing moving birds with a video camera with its shutter speed set below its frame rate (so as to better get night shots).

- multiple witnesses

Actually only one, the camera in question. Maybe lots of people were viewing the live feed, but it was a live feed from a single camera whose settings were arguably such as to cause weird trail-effects with moving objects.

Note that this effect wouldn't have been visible to the naked eye. If anyone else besides the camera in question saw this, the preferred explanation collapses.

An excellent example of how banal things can appear exotic under the right conditions.

True. I think that it happens a lot. Many/most ufo sightings are probably attributable to this. But probably not all of them.

Of course, we don't seem to have conclusively established that the camera settings were indeed the explanation for this. It's just some guy expressing the opinion that they could have been. With 'debunkers', so-called "skeptics", that's often all we ever see. A might explain B, so A is the explanation for B.

In the philosophy of science that's often called a just so story, an unverified proposed narrative explanation for something. In some interesting ways it's more akin to myth than to science. Others have argued that what are dismissed as 'just-so stories' are merely hypotheses, a necessary part of science. But that isn't exactly right, since the problem being criticized isn't hypothesizing, but rather reliance on a proposed hypothesis without further testing or verification, in simple confidence that it's the answer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just-so_story

If this hadn't been solved, it would surely have stood out for decades as one of the highest confidence sightings on record.

Maybe not if it's examined critically, since it's all coming from just a single source, a single camera.

And yet, it's not exotic.

True. Again, I'll say that I think that this happens a lot, in many/most UFO cases. (I've seen a couple of apparent UFOs myself that subsequently resolved into mundane things seen under unfamiliar conditions.)

But once again, this kind of episode doesn't really justify the conclusion that all UFO reports can be dismissed as easily. I fear that's the conclusion that Sciforums' less intelligent participants will draw from a thread like this.

There are UFO episodes (such as that 2004 San Diego event) that were observed by multiple trained eye witnesses from multiple directions, recorded on cameras in multiple wavelengths (IR and visible) and simultaneously observed on radar. A single instrument set to the wrong setting wouldn't explain something like that.
 
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True. I think that it happens a lot. Many/most ufo sightings are probably attributable to this. But probably not all of them.
Agree. This was just a really cool example.

But once again, this kind of episode doesn't really justify the conclusion that all UFO reports can be dismissed as easily. I fear that's the conclusion that Sciforums' less intelligent participants will draw from a thread like this.
Agree. But the door swings both ways. Especially here on SciFo.
 
But once again, this kind of episode doesn't really justify the conclusion that all UFO reports can be dismissed as easily. I fear that's the conclusion that Sciforums' less intelligent participants will draw from a thread like this.

Looks like that's already happened.
 
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