Boys like girls and you have to keep them separated

Your fellow soldiers should have your back, not be as much of a threat to you as the enemy is. Jesus, you're one scarey dude.

I think you live in a fantasy world . The opening post tells you there is a problem. In some situation the soldiers rent an apartment were there are mixed male and female , and as they drink during week ends and they become inebriated, inhibition decreases and animal instinct surfaces then what do you thing might happen .
 
I think you live in a fantasy world . The opening post tells you there is a problem. In some situation the soldiers rent an apartment were there are mixed male and female , and as they drink during week ends and they become inebriated, inhibition decreases and animal instinct surfaces then what do you thing might happen .

I verbally rape you,
you vile stew
of bigotry,
and sterile moldy old attitude,
a selfish dumb ass,
of unthinking bullshit,
a miscreant.
You haven't got a cent,
of clue in your brain,
I refrain,
from reciting
the full extent of your fallacies,
for fear of repetitious analogies,
to motherfucking dead beasts,
at low tide,
I make you resemble,
with my verbal dissemble,
a shitty ass rotting shellfish of mental dysfunction,
like you preach daily,
get a clue,
you
know
it
can't
be
faked,
so why do you try to?
 
The girls are trained to defend themselves , so i they know on how to fight off the attacker. But if they don't fight them of physically so they get what ever they are looking fore. Woman wanted go into the military with man , so this are the consequences, and stop crying
This is a bunch of crap.
 
I would never justify this type of behavior. However, lust happens to be pretty well-known, and rape in the military has been recorded since antiquity. Not that as a society we shouldn't be upset...but, it is to be expected. Obviously something needs to be done; but obviously, nothing that has been done to this point has resolved the problem. They aren't going to issue chastity devices to every soldier. So, until some other feasible solution comes about, all they can do is get rid of the bad weeds and hope things improve. And if it's a lack of leadership, then the leaders haven't been conditioned properly to have the discipline that is expected of NCOs/officers. Or the promotion board needs to be more strict. Either way, if there's an issue with the leadership, there's an issue with the system.
 
I verbally rape you,
you vile stew
of bigotry,
and sterile moldy old attitude,
a selfish dumb ass,
of unthinking bullshit,
a miscreant.
You haven't got a cent,
of clue in your brain,
I refrain,
from reciting
the full extent of your fallacies,
for fear of repetitious analogies,
to motherfucking dead beasts,
at low tide,
I make you resemble,
with my verbal dissemble,
a shitty ass rotting shellfish of mental dysfunction,
like you preach daily,
get a clue,
you
know
it
can't
be
faked,
so why do you try to?

Sorry you are an old ass to live in fantasy. I can tell you what I have seen on 1945 There was a retarded girl in our camp, and American soldiers stud in line 7 of them to f**k the retarded girl. My son was in the navy tor 6 years, as I went to visit him there were navy girls and navy man or call it room mating , . So you are pretty dumb thinking about chivalry.
 
arauca said:
The girls are trained to defend themselves , so i they know on how to fight off the attacker. But if they don't fight them of physically so they get what ever they are looking fore. Woman wanted go into the military with man , so this are the consequences, and stop crying
If this guy regards gender integrated hotels, schools, sports teams, beaches, parks - hell, town squares and sidewalks - as posing the same problem, then he is at least consistent. My bet is he is.

What often cures this is having a couple of daughters - then the notion that all men are inevitably rapists by nature, originally arrived at most often by introspection, confronts different aspects of reality.
 
You can't systematically desensitize and train men to objectify other people for the purpose of killing for us, and at the same time, expect those same men, in those same conditions, to be restrained and civil.

Right, because the only other condition besides "restrained and civil," is "rapist." :rolleyes:

Especially during a period when their political and spiritual leaders back home are busy objectifying the women back home.

I don't disagree that the culture plays a major role. But that's not an excuse for the behavior. The answer is not to say "Welp, women are shit back home, so we shouldn't get uptight when they're treated like shit in the military."

The astounding thing is not the misbehaviour, but how well most of the soldiers behave most of the time.

No, that's a cop-out. Even looking at how absurd our society is in gender relations and how females are treated, one could logically draw a line between it and the kind of treatment women receive in the service. This has more to do with military culture than American culture.

Gender-segregated Separate units might be a helpful step toward mitigation.

If you keep them apart, obviously you'd have less instances, but that's not a solution. The answer is to get stronger leadership in the military, and crack down on this kind of behavior.
 
tHIS is a bunch of crap. The girls are trained to defend themselves , so i they know on how to fight off the attacker. But if they don't fight them of physically so they get what ever they are looking fore. Woman wanted go into the military with man , so this are the consequences, and stop crying

The men raping them are trained as well. But we'll overlook this in favor of propagating ancient misogynistic boilerplate, because you're an unthinking fuckwit who has probably never had sex with a willing woman in his life.

I think you live in a fantasy world . The opening post tells you there is a problem. In some situation the soldiers rent an apartment were there are mixed male and female , and as they drink during week ends and they become inebriated, inhibition decreases and animal instinct surfaces then what do you thing might happen .

Is this from experience? When you get drunk around women, can you not help yourself from raping them?

For normal adult males, we don't automatically turn into rapists when we're intoxicated. I know, crazy, right?
 
h because you're an unthinking fuckwit who has probably never had sex with a willing woman in his life.


You are pretty naive . I am not going to call you names . I had my share and I continue having.
Think when a man gets under the influence and the same a woman , they both loos the inhibition, but probably man more so, then there is the challenge , and if some disagreement comes out , the woman will scream rape even if there was not fault of the man , he will be condemned
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Is this from experience? When you get drunk around women, can you not help yourself from raping them?

I did not want to insult you in your first sentence , but I can not help to think how foolish of a person you are . First I don't drink, and I don't like women that drink because drunk women they become like a slot and vulgar.

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For normal adult males, we don't automatically turn into rapists when we're intoxicated. I know, crazy, right?

It is not that you turn , but dammit your hand become like tentacles of an octopus to provoke the female , and if she does not want to get f**t a dispute becomes. an argument at that point is an step before rape.
 
The solution is not separating the boys from the girls; it's separating the rapists from the Army.

Correction - it's separating the rapists from everyone else... and in my honest opinion, separating them from this life. Rape is one of the most heinous crimes you can commit, and in my opinion is worse than murder because, in many cases, it leaves the victim wishing they had simply been killed. It is an event that will never be forgotten, and takes perhaps one of the most intimate and sanctified things away from a person, and no amount of "healing" will take that pain away.
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And In case anyone is wondering - no, I have never been raped... but I know of a few people who have... it left them absolutely hollow.

It is not that you turn , but dammit your hand become like tentacles of an octopus to provoke the female , and if she does not want to get f**t a dispute becomes. an argument at that point is an step before rape.

Uh... buh? I dunno about anyone else... but when I become inebriated... sex is honestly not at the forefront of my mind. Admittedly for me, simply staying coherent is at the forefront of my mind... but still.
 
For normal adult males, we don't automatically turn into rapists when we're intoxicated. I know, crazy, right?
Not automatically and not universally, but there's certainly a positive correlation. And of course an intoxicated woman may be less able to resist physically--or even verbally.

This is one of the reasons I have always insisted that alcohol is a far more dangerous drug than the most popular illegal drugs. When's the last time you heard of a man stoned on marijuana committing rape? (Just marijuana, not a cocktail of three or four drugs, which invariably include alcohol.)
 
By Patricia Zengerle

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top general in the U.S. Armed Forces warned of a crisis of confidence in the growing ranks of women soldiers due to a rash of sexual assault cases that has prompted lawmakers to act.

The warning by Army General Martin Dempsey came hours before President Barack Obama asked military leaders at a White House meeting to get the problem of sexual assaults under control.

"We're losing the confidence of the women who serve that we can solve this problem," Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said as he returned from NATO meetings in Brussels. "That's a crisis."

Obama met with Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel, Dempsey and other military leaders at the White House to discuss sexual assaults after a series of scandals discredited efforts to stamp it out.

A steep rise in sexual assault cases comes just as the Pentagon moves ahead with plans to integrate women into front-line combat roles.

Two cases in as many weeks in which members of the armed forces tasked with preventing sexual assaults have themselves been charged with sex crimes, were the last straw for lawmakers.

News of a third similar case broke shortly after the White House meeting when an Army officer who managed the sexual assault prevention office at Fort Campbell military base in Kentucky, was removed from his job.
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You know I always like the film Star Ship Troopers , not for the battles

But the philosophy that men and women can shower together with no non-sense going on , it is a natural and common occurrence

It is a subtle observation from the movie

But it is forward thinking
 
You don't show someone you like them by raping them. This is a product of the lack of leadership and independent prosecution in the military. Most of these scumbag perps get a slap on the wrist when in a civilian court, they would go to jail. If it's even brought before the commanding officer in the first place. The process of reporting rape usually leads to the victims receiving humiliating inquiries into their past sexual life, lie detector tests, and psychological evaluations. This doesn't happen outside of the military.

This x 1000

Rape/sexual assault is not about sex ...it's about rage and power. It's about having power over another person.
So, it isn't that men and women need to be separate, it's rather that some men shouldn't be in the military and rather should be in prison.
Raping someone isn't a sign that you're sexually attracted to them! Good grief.
 
This x 1000

Rape/sexual assault is not about sex ...it's about rage and power. It's about having power over another person.
So, it isn't that men and women need to be separate, it's rather that some men shouldn't be in the military and rather should be in prison.
Raping someone isn't a sign that you're sexually attracted to them! Good grief.

And respect
 
I don't disagree that the culture plays a major role. But that's not an excuse for the behavior.
No excuse has been offered for the bahaviour. No excuse is offered for the frat boys and athletes in the same culture who behave the same way.

The answer is not to say "Welp, women are shit back home, so we shouldn't get uptight when they're treated like shit in the military."
As far as i know, no such answer has been given.

An exploration of the origins of the problem is more likely to lead to a solution than reflexive condemnation or "cracking down" by authority. Zero tolerance policies have done nothing to end bullying in elementary schools, which is the same kind of behaviour.


Even looking at how absurd our society is in gender relations and how females are treated, one could logically draw a line between it and the kind of treatment women receive in the service. This has more to do with military culture than American culture.

America is an increasingly militaristic culture. It's not just about how it treats women; it's about how the citizens regard one another and the rest of the world. The military is just one of the exceptionally entitled sub-sets of a society: it exhibits the symptoms earlier than the main body politic.

If you keep them apart, obviously you'd have less instances, but that's not a solution.
Of course it's not a solution; it's a stopgap measure. Since America can't do, just now, without a huge standing army, and since it's not about solve any of its social problems - segregation might spare a few soldiers a few unnecessary unpleasant experiences.
 
So my understanding is this whole "epidemic" of sexual assaults started out because 'don't ask don't tell' being repealed allow more men to report assaults against them without fear of being labelled a homosexual and being kicked out of the military. Women represent only a minority of assault claims in the USA military, men against men are the majority of cases, and of course men are still probably underreporting compared to women so this true expanse of this problem has probably still not be illuminated! Of course our sexist society sees only women as victims and that men are always the abuser and has made this out as a problem of women in the military, when the problem was always there and was more complex then sexual lust.
 
Women in the forces.
Solution. Don't employ men.
The future is drones.
Women make better operatives, being relatively free of the drug testosterone.
 
Of course our sexist society sees only women as victims and that men are always the abuser
Men are still the majority of abusers in both cases. The problem we're not looking at is how a set of character traits is fostered by the society; how a certain type of male and to a lesser extent the same type of female, from kindergarten on, is encouraged to become a bully and enabled to act out. In the traditionally 'tough' masculine enclaves, such as sport, prison, police and armed forces, this personality type has always enjoyed privilege; in a prurient, thrill-addicted social climate, bullying behaviour often takes a sexual expression.
 
@ arauca...what the hell are you even saying here? Women and men should be able to serve in the military without fear, intimidation and rape from their own peers! It isn't women joining the military that is the issue...it is the archaic views of men like you that are putting women in peril. These are crimes! Not only do you insult women, you insult men by implying that they are nothing more than animals unable to restrain themselves if stationed with women. Rape isn't about sex; it's a crime.

You and I have chatted in my sexism thread, and sometimes you come across kind but misunderstood. But the views that you have in this thread are dangerous not only to women, but society as a whole.
 
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