Bondi beach (Sydney) terrorism shooting

Wizard of Whatever said:
There are around 50 muslim majority countries in the world. Send all the muslims in other countries to these and problems with them pretty much end.
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Yep. By definition.

But if you want to reduce terrorism overall in the US, you get far more bang for the buck sending right wing Christian extremists to Nizhny Novgorod in Russia - a haven for anti-woke Americans who want to flee liberalism. Most terrorism in the US comes from the far right, and it's a win-win for both parties. Te US will be safer, and those far right people will be far happier away from WOKE and trannies and Muslims and free religious expression all the other things the right hates about America.
 
billvon said:
Yep. By definition.

But if you want to reduce terrorism overall in the US, you get far more bang for the buck sending right wing Christian extremists to Nizhny Novgorod in Russia - a haven for anti-woke Americans who want to flee liberalism. Most terrorism in the US comes from the far right, and it's a win-win for both parties. Te US will be safer, and those far right people will be far happier away from WOKE and trannies and Muslims and free religious expression all the other things the right hates about America.
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Left wing terrorism has been increasing for the last ten years and is on track to be the worst in 30 years.
Statistics for right wing terrorism may also include some jihadist actions.

What the right hates is the left, same as the left hates the right. No substantial difference in hate.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
What the right hates is the left, same as the left hates the right. No substantial difference in hate.
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Rather, rightwing extremists target those whom they hate, i.e., marginalized groups, Blacks, women, providers of women's healthcare, etc.; whereas leftwing extremists target those who hate them.

Otherwise, you don't seem to have a solid grasp on the meanings of the terms "rightwing" and "leftwing".
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
Left wing terrorism has been increasing for the last ten years and is on track to be the worst in 30 yearss.
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So it's gone from 5% to 10%? That may be true. Right wing terrorism is still far, far more prevalent.

Statistics for right wing terrorism may also include some jihadist actions.
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Absolutely. You could definitely describe Jan 6th as a jihad against America.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
There are around 50 muslim majority countries in the world. Send all the muslims in other countries to these and problems with them pretty much end.
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Are you actually advocating for such a prejudicial and racist move, one that would see 3-4m American citiEns removed from their home, their country, on the basis of their religion? Or are you just spouting something fatuous that is definitionally true and obvious? I mean, if we removed all red-headed people from our society and send them all to Scotland, we'd have no problems with red-heads being bullied in schools here. :rolleyes:
 
In the US from a search, terror plots, successful and failed per year

Right wing -About 20 plots
Left wing - about 3
Anti state - about 15
Jihadist described as "low but still present."

Source: CSIS; START.umd.edu and NBC News
 
billvon said:
So it's gone from 5% to 10%? That may be true. Right wing terrorism is still far, far more prevalent.
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From google AI:

  • Ideology Breakdown (since 2020):
    • Right-wing: Over 50% of murders
    • Left-wing: Approximately 22% of murders
    • Islamist: Approximately 21% of murders
billvon said:
Absolutely. You could definitely describe Jan 6th as a jihad against America.
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Jan 6 was a riot. Plain and simple.
 
AI is not a valid source. Google even notifies users that AI results can be in error and users should go to primary sources. Wow, we do need another moderator.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
From google AI:

  • Ideology Breakdown (since 2020):
    • Right-wing: Over 50% of murders
    • Left-wing: Approximately 22% of murders
    • Islamist: Approximately 21% of murders

Jan 6 was a riot. Plain and simple.
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First, as noted, AI is not reliable and not to be trusted here.

Second, murders? I thought we were talking about terrorism--murder is not the aim or goal of terrorism.

Also, 22 percent leftwing? Hilarious. Give me an example, other than that prick from United Healthcare, a terrorist organization if ever there was one.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
From google AI:

  • Ideology Breakdown (since 2020):
    • Right-wing: Over 50% of murders
    • Left-wing: Approximately 22% of murders
    • Islamist: Approximately 21% of murders

Jan 6 was a riot. Plain and simple.
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You bring the conversation down when you do this. This is simply not true.
Bondi shooting was inspired by Islam but let's not drag other stats into this if they are not relevant.
What happens is your noise drowns out the signal.
 
DaveC426913 said:
Easy enough to do by just asking the chatbot again. It will contradict itself. They will contradict each other.
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I honestly do not understand why people use AI in this manner. It's just shockingly unreliable. Even for something which is entirely uncontentious and uncontestable--like, How many square feet are in an acre?--there is little guarantee that you will get the correct answer.
 
Pinball1970 said:
You bring the conversation down when you do this. This is simply not true.
Bondi shooting was inspired by Islam but let's not drag other stats into this if they are not relevant.
What happens is your noise drowns out the signal.
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You and Bilvon started what you call the noise. Don't blame me.
And what is not true?
 
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TheVat said:
AI is not a valid source. Google even notifies users that AI results can be in error and users should go to primary sources. Wow, we do need another moderator.
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It's valid enough when it corresponds to the other sources on the same subject. I quote it because it is less diffuse and more compact than others.
 
parmalee said:
I honestly do not understand why people use AI in this manner. It's just shockingly unreliable. Even for something which is entirely uncontentious and uncontestable--like, How many square feet are in an acre?--there is little guarantee that you will get the correct answer.
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People do not know this. The vast majority of people are technologically illiterate.

Facebook is an even more egregious example of people who will believe anything.

The internet has a way of giving voice to naive people. Those of us who have been around the block might not normally encounter such a wide array of knowledge gaps in in-depth conversations, so when it does happen online, it can be quite a shock.

For all we know, WoW lives in the basement of his mom's farm house in west Alabama. He has no job, few friends and listens only to Fox and Friends - but he has an internet connection.

Not saying this is really the case for WoW; the point is the demographic is much MUCH wider than what we humams evolved for.

And all that assumes sincerity. It assumes WoW is not a bad actor. I personally think he's a troll, and have had him ignored since the first week of his arrival. So I suspect that he is deliberately saying dishonest, inflammatory things, knowing perfectly well they'll keep the pot stirred. Of course, I can't prove any of that.

But we need not go down that road any farther, here.
 
DaveC426913 said:
People do not know this. The vast majority of people are technologically illiterate.
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Off topic, but this is a HUGE problem. We can view using these tools (AI and suchlike) as roughly analogous to operating heavy machinery, driving a car, and so forth. Side by side comparisons would be futile and useless; nevertheless, there are consequences which can tremendously impact people's lives.

I think the penny farthing bicycle metaphor from The Prisoner is apt here, in that these technologies are advancing far too rapidly for people to catch up, and learn how to use them appropriately, to properly contextualize the "fruits" they bear, and to adequately familiarize themselves with their limitations and shortcomings. It's dangerous.

But, yeah, kind of off topic.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
It's valid enough when it corresponds to the other sources on the same subject. I quote it because it is less diffuse and more compact than others.
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"Less diffuse and more compact"? Wtf?! Why not just cite these other sources, which are backed up by something at least, and which you claim corresponds with this AI slop?

Seriously? What are these "left wing murders"? Give me an example--actually, since the percentage is 22 (and not like, say, 25)--give me a few examples of such?
 
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