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Are black people going to evolve into their own species? I mean they already have their own behavior and genotype. Is this possible in a million years? Like how the dingo is argued by some to be its own species.
 
Since there is a lot of interbreeding between difference "races", speciation is highly unlikely. Speciation usually occurs when populations are isolated for extremely long periods of time.
 
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If there were, then they might diverge into a new species. Wouldn't be the first time.
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How far along the path of the "diverge into a new species" do you feel we already all went before the "geographical or reproductive barriers" were removed?
 
Are black people going to evolve into their own species?
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Separately from white people? No way.

I mean they already have their own behavior and genotype.
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No. Behaviour is the same as white people; no major differences. And there are no genes found in black people which aren't also found in millions of white people.
 
No. Behaviour is the same as white people; no major differences. And there are no genes found in black people which aren't also found in millions of white people.
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Black people have their own culture and certain behavioral traits, especially Africans. Black people also generaly have ...rhythm and higher hormone levels. Yes some genes are common to both but obviously some are also uncommon like the ones responsibly for their genotypes(skin color, hair, eyes, e.t.c). I know that for mutation to be successful there has to be isolation and with technology its daunting for anyone to be completely isolated from the world. However its entirely reasonable that even in the most technological countries there is still considerable segregation and these may be enough for dimunitive mutation because genes could simply adapt to this situation of isolation
 
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Black people have their own culture and certain behavioral traits, especially Africans.
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But is that a national difference, or a black difference?

Black people also generaly have ...rhythm and higher hormone levels.
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There are plenty of white drummers.

I doubt the higher hormone levels thing. Do you have any references?

Yes some genes are common to both but obviously some are also uncommon like the ones responsibly for their genotypes(skin color, hair, eyes, e.t.c).
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No. All the genes exist in both black and white populations. Some may be expressed more commonly in blacks than whites, or vice versa.

I know that for mutation to be successful there has to be isolation and with technology its daunting for anyone to be completely isolated from the world. However its entirely reasonable that even in the most technological countries there is still considerable segregation and these may be enough for dimunitive mutation because genes could simply adapt to this situation of isolation
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There just isn't enough isolation for sub-species of humans to evolve. Humans of different races intermingle and interbreed all the time, everywhere.
 
Thanks for your reply but...
But is that a national difference, or a black difference?
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Both. The reason its called a nation is becuase these people have a common culture. Many of these cultures are integrated with others, agreed. However many parts of Africa still brandish their unique traditions.
There are plenty of white drummers.
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Agreed

I doubt the higher hormone levels thing. Do you have any references?
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Well no but since black people are responsible for more than half the crimes its reasonable to assume this. Also black people relatively give birth exponentialy, especially in African nations, which are staunchly overpopulated. Europeans on the other hand are having problems maintaining their population this way.
No. All the genes exist in both black and white populations. Some may be expressed more commonly in blacks than whites, or vice versa
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. Genes are a function of the enviroment.i.e they are receptive to the enviroment. The dominant genes in an European cannot be the same in a Black man living in the tropics of Africa. May I also mention that this is the reason many Americans are fat- because of the availability of food, and many Africans skinny. Its also responsible for the skin colors and even height so how in the world can it be common to all humans- I am talking about genotype genes. When interbreeding occurs these two different dominant genes combine, resulting in dominant and recessive genes. This I think is what you are trying to talk about.
There just isn't enough isolation for sub-species of humans to evolve. Humans of different races intermingle and interbreed all the time, everywhere.
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This is the biggest point. However there are still many more black people that have not and cannot even interbreed. Anyway my main point is that since genes are adaptive and receptive its entirely reasonable for blacks especialy in Africa to further mutate, given increasing global warming and increasing poverty. I just don't see how change is inevitable as long as we humans have not yet got off the evolution car pool.
 
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Black people?

My wife, who "looks black"- is actually brazillian and cherokee mix; she has no affinity for rhythm and subdued hormone levels (being 60 years of age), and was raised in "white" American culture in Huntington, West Virginia.

What "race" is she?

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If blackness is determined by "rhythm level" are Neil Peart, John Bonham, Carl Palmer, Buddy Rich or Gene Krupa "black"?

If blackness is correlative with "higher hormone levels" wouldn't differences in hormone levels be equally valid in determination of gender?

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Upon further investigation you will find that hormone levels each have an "optimum level" in every individual, and that those levels are not correlative to melanocite excitation. It is as silly as the suggestion that "white people getting a tan will become horny track stars with longer penises."

It makes nice propaganda, but it is wholly unscientific.

Cheers
 
LOL but the inverse of my point and what you are insinuating is that in a million years time eveyrbody will be either white, black, or must likely something in the middle."something in the middle" is unlikely because it requires that every earth has one single universal averge climate, socio-economy, and every body interbreeds.
 
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Both. The reason its called a nation is becuase these people have a common culture. Many of these cultures are integrated with others, agreed. However many parts of Africa still brandish their unique traditions.
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If by both, you feel you are free to equivocate the term, you are wrong.

That is the first and most egregious liberty taken by "white nationalists."

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Well no but since black people are responsible for more than half the crimes its reasonable to assume this.
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You can't seriously be trying to equate hormone levels with crime now?

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Also black people relatively give birth exponentialy, especially in African nations, which are staunchly overpopulated.
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I dare say, you do not know what you are talking about, and are disregarding mortality rates.

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Europeans on the other hand are having problems maintaining their population this way.
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You are confusing declining percentages with declining rates.

At best.


devils_reject said:
. Genes are a function of the enviroment.
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No, they are not.

We are our genes, they are not a function of anything; they are inseperable from ourselves.

What are you a function of?


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This is the biggest point.
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Then address it.

That there is no sufficiently isolated population of Humans means that speciation will not occur.

If you are a "white nationalist" or "white separatist" you'll find no succor in science.


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However there are still many more black people that have not and cannot even interbreed.
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I'll be unduely kind, here:

What the living fuck are you talking about, son?
 
Listen I am not a white supremist of any kind but you obviously do not know what I am talking about or have no imagination so I end my theory here-"Theory" get it.."theory"? Nothing I have presented here is ridiculous. read my post carefuly
 
devils_reject said:
LOL but the inverse of my point and what you are insinuating is that in a million years time eveyrbody will be either white, black, or must likely something in the middle."something in the middle" is unlikely because it requires that every earth has one single universal averge climate, socio-economy, and every body interbreeds.
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The worst part of your presumption is that you don't have an accurate grasp of present Human taxonomy, or contextual understanding of what genes are.

It's the exact same lunacy I see on the message boards of "stromfront" and "nationalvanguard" and such.

Which is why I question your motives for weighing such ideology in SciFor.

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I'm not calling you anything but "inarticulate" at this point.
 
James R said:
Behaviour is the same as white people; no major differences.
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You have got to be one of the stupidest "scientists" I have ever read.

Or are you lying again?
 
Tropical Africa is still hundreds of miles from the tundras of the Northern hermisphers, if this is not a form of isolation I don't know what you call it, this isolation is the reason why we have black people in the first place(warmer weather). The continents are said to be constantly drifting apart. Its also possible that this drifting will one day cause most continents to meet again(since the earth is circular) causing a single race.
 
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