Birth control vaccine in the works

scheherazade said:
...Back to the topic of vaccines, there has been considerable distrust of vaccines raised in the media of late, and I'm wondering if any lingering misapprehension from that debate might engender distrust of a vaccine, especially where reproductive capability is involved.
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I got my daughter the cervical cancer vaccination. co-worker of mine refused for her 15 yr old daughter because 'she has goals, she won't be having sex'
As if the shots will make my daughter a whore now. LOL

I wonder if people will feel that way about their young sons.
 
Orleander said:
I got my daughter the cervical cancer vaccination. co-worker of mine refused for her 15 yr old daughter because 'she has goals, she won't be having sex'
As if the shots will make my daughter a whore now. LOL

I wonder if people will feel that way about their young sons.
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orleander, no unfortunatly insted its not concidered important enough to make avilable for boys, inspite of the fact that most throat and mouth cancer is ALSO caused by HPV
 
Fraggle Rocker said:
That simply has to be sarcasm. Either that or you don't live in the USA.

You're totally correct: "It works quite well making sure people can pass tests. . . ." Virtually everyone I know has seen people cheating on the written tests, as blatantly as having someone else sneak in and take it for them! As for the driving test, all it does is prove that they understand how the controls work and that they can use them correctly at low speed, in light traffic, with someone telling them what to do next.

As it is, they don't really understand the controls. Perhaps in your country you didn't hear about the "epidemic" in the USA of "unintended acceleration" in Toyotas. People sat there steering for several minutes, while the car kept accelerating and they could not get it to slow down. One person even dialed 911 and had a long conversation with the emergency advisor.

Neither the driver nor the emergency advisor on the other end thought to put the damn transmission in Neutral!

These people should not have been given licenses. That's the quality of "parenting skills" you're going to get (at least in America) if the government tests for them!

They gave my mother a driver's license. That's all that really needs to be said about the issue.
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Any system will have it's cheaters. But for the most part, it makes sure the majority of drivers start their driving future with at least the basics. They learn the laws, they do have to pass a driving test, as meager as it is, it is better than not doing it. So what's wrong with adding "qualified to be a parent" to the ID?
 
scheherazade said:
While it may be an ideological concept to have reversible birth control and graduated parenting licenses, I'm not too concerned that such a thing could be implemented by any government agency.

As witness, we have the long gun registry in Canada which is a failed experiment based on the knowledge that a great number of citizens never complied with this legislation in the first place.

We have plenty of legislation in place for responsible pet ownership, yet that doesn't stop unplanned reproduction or animal abuse.

Besides, if government wanted to affect fertility rates on a large scale, they could just quietly drop something into the water or food supply, I'm thinking.

Far cheaper, guaranteed to reach most of the target population and the blame for any deleterious substance so found could be blamed on any number of potential entry points.

Okay, I'm done being the devil's advocate for the moment, lol...:D

Back to the topic of vaccines, there has been considerable distrust of vaccines raised in the media of late, and I'm wondering if any lingering misapprehension from that debate might engender distrust of a vaccine, especially where reproductive capability is involved.
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There will probably always people that will fear vaccines. But making easy safe and convenient contraceptives available to both sexes without doing anything else would make a big difference and generally stop almost all unwanted pregnancies. Now if we could develop vaccines against all STD's we would never have to look at a condom again.:D
 
Asguard said:
orleander, no unfortunatly insted its not concidered important enough to make avilable for boys, inspite of the fact that most throat and mouth cancer is ALSO caused by HPV
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I've wondered why that is myself. If they already have a vaccine that works. Why would they not provide it to men that wanted it? Probably because the HPV strains that affect men and women are not the same and the would need a totally new vaccine, and pharmaceutical company’s just don't see much profit in doing it. Where is the government when you really need them?
 
KilljoyKlown said:
I've wondered why that is myself. If they already have a vaccine that works. Why would they not provide it to men that wanted it? Probably because the HPV strains that affect men and women are not the same and the would need a totally new vaccine, and pharmaceutical company’s just don't see much profit in doing it. Where is the government when you really need them?
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no, thats incorrect. Its is the same 5 strains which are in the gardicell vaccine. Its the goverment who doesnt concider the cost of providing the vacine to boys to be worth it. I find the attitude that womens health is worth more than mens health contemptable but there you are
 
Asguard said:
no, thats incorrect. Its is the same 5 strains which are in the gardicell vaccine. Its the goverment who doesnt concider the cost of providing the vacine to boys to be worth it. I find the attitude that womens health is worth more than mens health contemptable but there you are
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Interesting last paragraph.

Question

HPV infection: A cause of cancer in men?

I'm aware of the connection between sexually transmitted human papillomavirus (HPV) and cervical cancer. Does HPV infection increase cancer risk in men, too?

Answer

from James M. Steckelberg, M.D.

The short answer is yes, but the specific risks are different for men. Most of the time, HPV infection doesn't cause any signs or symptoms in either sex, although some types of HPV cause genital warts. Typically, the immune system eliminates the virus without treatment within about two years. Until the virus is gone, you can spread it to your sex partners.

But certain types of HPV, known as high-risk types, may cause persistent infection, which can gradually turn into cancer. With the exception of cervical cancer, HPV-related cancers are uncommon. These rare malignancies include cancers of the vulva, vagina, penis, anus and oropharynx — the back of the mouth and upper part of the throat. They usually develop in conjunction with human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), the virus that causes AIDS.

HIV-positive gay and bisexual men are at particular risk of anal, penile and throat cancers associated with persistent HPV infection. This risk has actually increased in recent years, despite treatment advances credited with reducing the incidence of other HIV-associated cancers, such as Kaposi's sarcoma and lymphoma. The same advances have also added years to the lives of many people with AIDS.

After such improvements, why are people with AIDS more likely to develop HPV-related cancers now? One possible reason is that longer survival with AIDS gives persistent HPV infection time to turn into cancer.

Men can avoid the types of HPV that cause most genital warts by receiving Gardasil, which was originally approved as a cervical cancer vaccine for girls and young women. After additional studies, the Food and Drug Administration later approved Gardasil for males ages 9 to 26, specifically for the prevention of genital warts. More studies are needed to determine whether Gardasil can prevent HPV-associated anal, throat and penile cancers.
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/HPV/AN01309
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Kill some of the things i have read conflict with some of the comments in there (especially the lack of evidence for the strains which cause the various cancers). I posted a heep of infomation around here somewhere on why boys should be given the gardecell vacine and it conflicts with your article. Specifically the ambiguity of the cause and the rarity of the cancers.
 
Asguard said:
Kill some of the things i have read conflict with some of the comments in there (especially the lack of evidence for the strains which cause the various cancers). I posted a heep of infomation around here somewhere on why boys should be given the gardecell vacine and it conflicts with your article. Specifically the ambiguity of the cause and the rarity of the cancers.
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Just saying if you are a male 9 to 26, take the vaccine ASAP as it is approved and it may very well be good for more than genital warts.

Men can avoid the types of HPV that cause most genital warts by receiving Gardasil, which was originally approved as a cervical cancer vaccine for girls and young women. After additional studies, the Food and Drug Administration later approved Gardasil for males ages 9 to 26, specifically for the prevention of genital warts. More studies are needed to determine whether Gardasil can prevent HPV-associated anal, throat and penile cancers.
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Is the availability of the vaccine to males different by geographical location, as in different medical protocols in Australia than in the U.S.?
 
Asguard said:
no i mean the goverment limits it to girls only
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Isn't the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention a government agency? I know the Food and Drug Administration is government.

There is a good chance you might have to pay for it out of your own money as insurance probably won't cover it at this time. But if the male is between 9 & 26 I don't see how they could refuse to give it.
 
Vacination programs in Australia are set by the federal goverment. For some cases you can pay to get a vacination other than by the PBS (for example i have to get Hep vacinations which are generally given only to aborigionals because im in health care) but not all. This is one that as far as i know is ONLY avilable to women, women out of the age group can i think pay for it but not men and boys
 
KilljoyKlown said:
Isn't the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention a government agency? I know the Food and Drug Administration is government.

There is a good chance you might have to pay for it out of your own money as insurance probably won't cover it at this time. But if the male is between 9 & 26 I don't see how they could refuse to give it.
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the CDC and the FDA are US agencies, why do you think they would have anything to do with what happens in Australia?
 
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