Birth control vaccine in the works

Asguard said:
weight gain in men is more of an issue than it is in women though, because men tend to be "Apple" shapped rather than "pear" shapped. CVD is higher in people with increased weight in apple shapped.

I dont mean to shoot down the idea, it would be great but the side effects have to be taken into account. Its odd that the article would claim the side effects are the same for men as women taking the pill though and then state that one of them is acne. The pill is perscribed for 5 reasons, a short course increases fertility in women trying to concive, as a contraceptive, irregular periods, abnormally painful periods and TO PREVENT ACNE
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First, I'd have to say the test sample seems to be small. I'd like to see a much larger test. If weight gain turns out to be frequent, how much weight gain is it and is it manageable. As far as acne is concerned, they are still working on establishing the optimal dose that may help correct the problem. I'm happy they are even working on finding something that works for men.
 
KilljoyKlown said:
First, I'd have to say the test sample seems to be small. I'd like to see a much larger test. If weight gain turns out to be frequent, how much weight gain is it and is it manageable. As far as acne is concerned, they are still working on establishing the optimal dose that may help correct the problem. I'm happy they are even working on finding something that works for men.
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i agree, as far as the acne goes i was just pointing out the inconsitancy in saying that the effects are equivilant to the pill when the pill is used to cure acne and this apears to call it.

Oviously it needs a large sample size and over a long time period because you need to see not only if it works but you need to know

1) does it work
2) what side effects including what are the worst side effects and what is there frequency
3) Does it work long term or does the body adapt to it
4) Does this effect long term fertility when the men decide they DO want children
5) Are there any long term effects on the health of those children
 
Fraggle Rocker said:
But whom would you trust to enforce that? It would end up being the government! Yeah, I'll get right on it.
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With the right birth control it would be quite easy to set up licensing clinics for people that wanted children. You might complain about the DMV, but it works quite well making sure people can pass tests that show they meet the required knowledge and skills to drive a car. The way we are now, people don't need to know anything about having and raising children and who cares if there is any financial responsibility, because you can have kids with no income at all.

For all the people that want to complain about losing our God given rights personal rights. I say bullshit, I don't want to pay for all the problems unwanted children cause in our community and society. I want to see a world where every human born is a wanted child by parents that have proven they can care for it by their community standards.

As humans we may never be able to set up a perfect system. But anything we can do to give each child born the best possible start in life the better world we will all live in.
 
Gimme a break. I've heard the argument and yes it's "funny". You need a license to drive, but not have kids...well guess what the government owns the road, but not our bodies (yet). So fuck them. While we are giving the government that much power, can I put in a request to lock you and Asguard up for Sociopathic thinking? the government might as well own our minds if it owns our bodies.
 
Asguard said:
goverment isnt the evil that you guys seem to think it is, how many americans are seriously calling for car licences to be abolished so there is open slather on the roads?

I dont nessarly agree with "parental licences" but i can certanly see the point comming from the advocates of it. there are some seriously bad parents around and the girls pregant at 16 or even younger, through to people like "octomum" dont actually inspire confidence in the ability of the adverage person to raise a child. This coupled with breeding rates compared both to income and SES as well as intergenerational disadvantage does inspire questions as to wether we are breeding intelligence OUT of the human race. The best educated people have the lowest fertility rates (below replacement in alot of cases) while those with the least intelligence are having 6 or more children.
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I think you are confusing intelligence with education on this issue, and wanted children will always have a better chance at being better educated.
 
possibly but it is a valid question, insted of getting better educated every generation it seems that if we look at percentages (rather than just looking at child and parent) the percentage with even basic schooling is going DOWN.
 
scheherazade said:
From Fraggle's comments, I do not discern the suggestion of evil intent, but concern for selection bias, depending upon what process is used to determine what criteria should be attached to having children.

Interesting to contemplate that while most persons have the biological capacity to reproduce, we are now discussing the potential of regulating through technology and legislation the right to procreate.

Not that such hasn't been going on forever by various other means and selective biases, but this puts it front and center.
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When you consider how important kids are to the future of society, front and center is right where it belongs.
 
nietzschefan said:
Gimme a break. I've heard the argument and yes it's "funny". You need a license to drive, but not have kids...well guess what the government owns the road, but not our bodies (yet). So fuck them. While we are giving the government that much power, can I put in a request to lock you and Asguard up for Sociopathic thinking? the government might as well own our minds if it owns our bodies.
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We are not talking about ownership here. Why do you come up with stupid comments like that? If you were a parent, do you want your daughters or sons becoming parents while still in high school? Do you want any grand children that are unwanted by your children? Do you want to see your children struggling to raise a family they are not ready for? Where are your priorities?
 
When you give the state the right to own someone's ability to procreate, you give them ownership. For at least 50 years in most liberated democracies, corporal punishment has been abolished. What you are talking about is corporal punishment. It is a punishment inflicted on the body. It is a step backwards for society.

Wait I just re-read your posts...you are even worse than Asguard(above applies to him). You want every single person to report to the government, pass a test or have your nuts removed? Ya?
 
nietzschefan said:
When you give the state the right to own someone's ability to procreate, you give them ownership. For at least 50 years in most liberated democracies, corporal punishment has been abolished. What you are talking about is corporal punishment. It is a punishment inflicted on the body. It is a step backwards for society.

Wait I just re-read your posts...you are even worse than Asguard(above applies to him). You want every single person to report to the government, pass a test or have your nuts removed? Ya?
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Your kidding right? You didn't answer my questions about your kids and grand kids? Parents can't deal with those problems, they can only watch it happen, and when it does who do they blame (it wasn't my fault). Well who's fault is it then and as a taxpayer why should I have to foot the bill for it?
 
Holy shit, how are you going to know what happens with your grandkids? they might be worse than Hitler, life is always about rolling the dice. Taking away the dice because of what MIGHT happen is cowardice. Life does not reward cowards.

Mistakes brought us to where we are today. Some really good people were brought up by totally shitty parents.
 
Asguard said:
how about if you lose 2 children in a row and fail twice to get them back (or dont both to try) you get manditory sterilisation for both partners

Otherwise you have situations like what are happerning in some areas in Australia, ie people are just spitting out kid after kid
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How about you just stop giving people already on public assistance more money when they " spit out more kids"? Remove the incentive.
 
KilljoyKlown said:
With the right birth control it would be quite easy to set up licensing clinics for people that wanted children. You might complain about the DMV, but it works quite well making sure people can pass tests that show they meet the required knowledge and skills to drive a car.
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That simply has to be sarcasm. Either that or you don't live in the USA.

You're totally correct: "It works quite well making sure people can pass tests. . . ." Virtually everyone I know has seen people cheating on the written tests, as blatantly as having someone else sneak in and take it for them! As for the driving test, all it does is prove that they understand how the controls work and that they can use them correctly at low speed, in light traffic, with someone telling them what to do next.

As it is, they don't really understand the controls. Perhaps in your country you didn't hear about the "epidemic" in the USA of "unintended acceleration" in Toyotas. People sat there steering for several minutes, while the car kept accelerating and they could not get it to slow down. One person even dialed 911 and had a long conversation with the emergency advisor.

Neither the driver nor the emergency advisor on the other end thought to put the damn transmission in Neutral!

These people should not have been given licenses. That's the quality of "parenting skills" you're going to get (at least in America) if the government tests for them!

They gave my mother a driver's license. That's all that really needs to be said about the issue.
 
While it may be an ideological concept to have reversible birth control and graduated parenting licenses, I'm not too concerned that such a thing could be implemented by any government agency.

As witness, we have the long gun registry in Canada which is a failed experiment based on the knowledge that a great number of citizens never complied with this legislation in the first place.

We have plenty of legislation in place for responsible pet ownership, yet that doesn't stop unplanned reproduction or animal abuse.

Besides, if government wanted to affect fertility rates on a large scale, they could just quietly drop something into the water or food supply, I'm thinking.

Far cheaper, guaranteed to reach most of the target population and the blame for any deleterious substance so found could be blamed on any number of potential entry points.

Okay, I'm done being the devil's advocate for the moment, lol...:D

Back to the topic of vaccines, there has been considerable distrust of vaccines raised in the media of late, and I'm wondering if any lingering misapprehension from that debate might engender distrust of a vaccine, especially where reproductive capability is involved.
 
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