Biden - We are out by 11/SEP/2021

Michael 345

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Will out by 11/SEP/2021 happen?

Not up on history so can someone give a Reader's Digest version

How long have the groups in Afghanistan been fighting before America became involved?

Was there a estimate of how long America expected to be in Afghanistan?

I'm surprised America did think of my brilliant idea of how to wipe out the Taliban without being involved

Launch an attack on a Chinese target important enough to warrant a response

Leave enough clues Taliban did it

Chinese go to Afghanistan. No pussy footing around. Taliban gone

:)
 
Will out by 11/SEP/2021 happen?

Not up on history so can someone give a Reader's Digest version

How long have the groups in Afghanistan been fighting before America became involved?

Was there a estimate of how long America expected to be in Afghanistan?

I'm surprised America did think of my brilliant idea of how to wipe out the Taliban without being involved

Launch an attack on a Chinese target important enough to warrant a response

Leave enough clues Taliban did it

Chinese go to Afghanistan. No pussy footing around. Taliban gone

:)


How long have the groups in Afghanistan been fighting before America became involved?

i think it is hard to tell exactly
the area has had amrys marchng over it for centurys
 
But of course America will sort it out

3 different arguments

1 colonialism
2 drug war
3 terrorism war

regardless of 1 & 3
#2 will continue because it is their primary income

culturally you have the tali ban growing drugs to use as a religiously validated insult to alah as a weapon against their religious enemy
so they say its ok to grow popys and make heroin and sell it to christian infidels etc

etc etc
the dog biting its own tail running in circles barking
the cycle of power and control is self validating/perpetuating

interesting looking at 1 headline
how it was worded
"America lost the war"

lol if america used the same morality as the taliban the war would be over decades ago
the irony of modern civilized morality is the debate inside the usa in what type of war they engage in

part of the real story that is being kept out of the headlines by those who have a dollar t turn and a power position to exploit
is the reality that America cant control its own borders

so the opium & heroine keeps flowing in over their borders
but as long as it keeps coming in, they can validate their military presence in Afghanistan

How long have the groups in Afghanistan been fighting before America became involved?

how long is time ?
it has always been fought over as soon as any army becomes big enough to move long distances
much like africa so its now destabalised into a state of perpetual civil war as a normal culture
where only overt collective power of a unified military presence can protect peaceful existence and systems.
but no one wants a single leadership that is civilized and secular
its all based around fascist ideological religious cults.

I'm surprised America did think of my brilliant idea of how to wipe out the Taliban without being involved

giving self autonomy through supporting a leader who obliges all sides into discourse
they define that lack of blood lust to be a sign of weakness in many cultures

probably considerable rare earths in Afghanistan

what does a agrarian peasant farmer do with a pile of foreign currency in the middle of no where ?
without any of the behaviors being defined as overt or covert imperialism ?

the answer to the problem is sold as the problem needing an answer
an answer that must be delivered before the other questions are asked

should the world just wall off Afghanistan and ignore its presence and leave them to what they want ?
to be ignored ?
who is "they"

Chinese go to Afghanistan.
if they do, it will be for money
nothing less
and it will be to make things to sell to the west
so its china going to them
to get resources
to make things
to sell to the world
so its the world outsourcing going to them with china

china tend to give them things in exchange as opposed to the usa who offer to create political systems
china gives them assets like buildings and cash
usa gives them senate committees & a new class system for their old class system
 
So the American public are (largely) funding the war by the Taliban themselves AND killing themselves in the process
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:)

not sure how real this data is
but they make clear statements


https://www.rand.org/news/press/2019/08/20.html
Researchers estimate that from 2006 to 2016, the total amount of money spent by Americans on these four drugs fluctuated between $120 billion and $145 billion each year. By contrast, a different analysis finds that spending on alcohol in the U.S. was estimated to be $158 billion in 2017.
Total spending on cannabis, from both illegal and state-licensed sources, increased by approximately 50 percent from 2006 to 2016, from $34 billion to $52 billion. The market for cannabis is roughly the size of the cocaine and methamphetamine markets combined, and the size of the retail heroin market is now closer to the size of the marijuana market than it is to the other drugs, according to the analysis.

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*this is closest to any real data that i would value
which leaves a big gap in the data
i guess that is because the war in Afghanistan is such a dividing point for american voters and money making industry's
not to mention the obvious internal issues of institutionalized racism driving poverty and police


* https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2014/03/07/how-much-do-americans-really-spend-drugs-each-year
*According to this new study, drug users in the United States spent approximately $100 billion annually over the past decade on illicit drugs. This study updates several previous reports (beginning in 1995) which estimated drug trends back to 1988.

Notably, from 2000 to 2010, the amount people spent on cocaine dropped by half from $55 billion to $28 billion, reflecting dramatic decreases in the availability of cocaine after 2006: from approximately 300 pure metric tons in 2000 to about 150 pure metric tons in 2010.

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so its a bit of a guess
im guessing possibly around 2 billion retail per year on heroine
you need to divide that by around 8 to 10 to get the price paid over seas

im guessing

so that's 200 million per year new money into Afghanistan for opium production sold to the usa

that's a lot of money
 
<----antiwar libertarian socialist
(ignore the statue---it is just a statue)
End all regime change wars
legalize all drugs
provide government funded medical care to all who want and/or need it.

Will Biden keep his word?
(interesting that he chose 9/11 as the termination)
 
<----antiwar libertarian socialist
(ignore the statue---it is just a statue)
End all regime change wars
legalize all drugs
provide government funded medical care to all who want and/or need it.

Will Biden keep his word?
(interesting that he chose 9/11 as the termination)

SAR'S CoV-2
566,000 dead AND climbing
makes 9/11 look like a childrens picnic at roughly 3000

1.9 trillion dollar bail out and that's just to keep the economy from collapsing
the real cost is probably around 5 trillion & climbing

what a legacy to hand over to Joe
the vote was still Roughly 50/50 not a huge swing as some type of sudden moral salvation request by the American people
more of a meandering look at a different flavor of pandemic

so its a civil issue more than a leadership issue

its a marathon requiring sprinting all the way

need all those troops & money back home now that technology has moved forward
i just hope they can re train their soldiers and offer them some proper support
they have such a terrible disregard for returned service personal & their injured service personal
its all speeches & flag waiving & trying to stand in front of the camera & kiss babys and they all run off when the medical bill arrives & claim it to be a difficult complicated problem that everyone is divided on.
horse shit !
 
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I fear the exit from Afghanistan will result in the same chaos the exit from VietNam did.

completely different animal
i think the military have become a lot more selective after the cluster fuck of the iraq withdrawal and the massive and continuing veteran suicides gulf war syndrome & PTSD in teenage boys who knew nothing signed up and were effectively psychologically damaged for life by being thrown into something they were never prepared for.

Afghanistan returnees will be valued for skills and in field experience which will be sought after to use as trainers
assuming they are not psychologically damaged, as such events do to people.

look at your typical american suburbanite
they have a car accident and then claim emotional damage and that they cant hold down a job for the rest of their life suing everyone they can.

compare that to sustained in field stress for a few months.
the human mind can only take soo much
and some people just have limits and breaking points that no one can locate until after they reach it.

you have to realize that american society is a militarist society

the national guard, the never ending list of government agencies with uniforms and guns and fascist power and no moral social accountability...
the constant waiving of flags and symbolic empty virtue signals to military symbolism

the thing that throws people is the corporatism militarism
corporates wearing suits playing sociopath games of tea partys for media and family advertising
yet the structure and internal culture and management is all militaristic

but they(the indoctrinated child of the quasi militaristic morality symbolism) are a weak civil bi-polar teenager type of mentality
which is one big reason why they are obsessed with guns & fascism sex & money
its one big power trip after the other precariously seated on the top of a massively unstable fragile ego
thus in walks the (adult)narcissists ...

do professional military personal suffer from weak child-like fragile egos ?
mostly not

who is the national guard made up of ?

the same chaos the exit from VietNam did.
Vietnam took 18 year old boys off farms with no mental discipline or training or experience
and turned them into serial killers
then undermined their ego publicly as a political vehicle then unleashed them back on USA civil society

where there is no health care for them and no mental health care for them

ethereal euphemistic perceptions which make you feel like your gaining a good perspective on something
may not always be accurate
as in this case
different animals
like a wolf & a tiger
they both eat meat but would you treat them the same ?
which one will you let come & live inside your home and play with your children ?
 
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can the usa hold the world to ransom with its usa dollar ?

thats a whole different debate about bailing out the psychopaths who are wroughting the system
everyone is soaking in the same bath water when it comes to international electronic funds
 
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