Belief in alien visits to Earth is spiralling out of control – here’s why that’s so dangerous

billvon said:
Scientists, by definition, always consider new possibilities - and then follow those possibilities supported by evidence and experimental results.
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Show me scientists in the mainstream willing to accept the possibility of cold fusion, free energy, energy from the vacuum, zero point energy, etc, Much of these have been observed, but repeatability is low.
 
(Q) said:
Then, its easy to lie if not under oath. Conservatives, for example, do it every day in spite of the ninth commandment, yet under oath tell the truth.

Neither do lies or the people spewing them.
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It's easy to lie under oath. Criminals are experts at it.

The only ones spewing falsities are you and those like you.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
What do you think I have been doing answering all your skepticisms/
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You posted a cryptic commnent to a thread that had been dormant for 9 months. You didn't explain or elaborate your one sentence post. That's effectively a throw-away.

The very next post was pinball having to ask you what you meant, because what you said was apparently false, and because you didn't bother explaining the discrepancy.

Try to be more explanatory and thoughtful - as well as considerate of members - in your posts.
 
Prelude to the Beer and Barf Tourney.
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Wizard of Whatever said:
Show me scientists in the mainstream willing to accept the possibility of cold fusion, free energy, energy from the vacuum, zero point energy, etc, Much of these have been observed, but repeatability is low.
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Just curious - would you board a jet which was designed on a series of experiments whose repeatability was low? "Come aboard! Zeke and I got a model of this craft airborne a couple times, so we figure it might work!"

How about neurosurgery for your loved one? "Relax! We got this new procedure - it worked that one time we tried it on a toad."
 
TheVat said:
Just curious - would you board a jet which was designed on a series of experiments whose repeatability was low? "Come aboard! Zeke and I got a model of this craft airborne a couple times, so we figure it might work!"

How about neurosurgery for your loved one? "Relax! We got this new procedure - it worked that one time we tried it on a toad."
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That's not the point. The point is to do further experiments in order to learn how to use these possibilities effectively.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
You are all lost causes.
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It's all true, I am a lost cause to the incessant, ongoing, deliberate and unyielding acceptance of reality over what I wish it to be.
Wizard of Whatever said:
I will discontinue my attempt to enlighten you via this thread.
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Try OBE'ing your consciousness to beam your enlightenment straight into our minds so we instantly understand the way of the wizard world.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
The point is to do further experiments in order to learn how to use these possibilities effectively.
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And they are doing further experiments.

If the repeatibility is low though, that points heavily toward a flaw in the initial experiment or its interpretation. That's how you put science in the science. Independent repeatability.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
Show me scientists in the mainstream willing to accept the possibility of cold fusion, free energy, energy from the vacuum, zero point energy, etc, Much of these have been observed, but repeatability is low.
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Scientists in the "mainstream" have always been willing to accept the possibility of all those things, right up the point where they are proven to be impossibilities.

Here's the current status on your list, as far as I am aware:
  • Cold fusion can't be ruled out yet, but nobody has yet demonstrated the existence of cold fusion.
  • Free energy, if it exists, would break at least one, and probably two, of the fundamental laws of thermodynamics. Therefore, it seems highly unlikely that it exists. More importantly, nobody has yet demonstrated any "free energy" device that works as advertised.
  • "Zero point energy" is a standard concept in accepted "mainstream" science. Repeatability is high for this one.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
Show me scientists in the mainstream willing to accept the possibility of cold fusion, free energy, energy from the vacuum, zero point energy, etc,
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Most are.

Literally dozens of scientists, for example, have tried to reproduce the Fleischmann and Pons experiment (cold fusion.) This indicates that dozens were willing to not only accept the possibility, but actively spend their time trying to prove it.

All failed to show the results that F+P got - so after a few years people stopped trying. Since then there has been at least one fraudster that made millions with a cold fusion fraud (Rossi) and defrauded dozens of people, which has reduced interest in the topic.

"Free energy" is too broad a topic to effectively discuss. There have been several "free energy" methods that have been tried (magnet motors, overbalanced wheel) that have been proven to be scams. However, other "free energy" techniques (photovoltaics, betavoltaics, ambient RF harvesting) have not only been "accepted" - they are now being used.

Zero point energy is also being widely researched. The Casimir effect, for example, is heavily researched. So far there is no way to get any energy out of that, since the Casimir effect occurs due to an ABSENCE of energy at small enough scales.
 
James R said:
Scientists in the "mainstream" have always been willing to accept the possibility of all those things, right up the point where they are proven to be impossibilities.

Here's the current status on your list, as far as I am aware:
  • Cold fusion can't be ruled out yet, but nobody has yet demonstrated the existence of cold fusion.
  • Free energy, if it exists, would break at least one, and probably two, of the fundamental laws of thermodynamics. Therefore, it seems highly unlikely that it exists. More importantly, nobody has yet demonstrated any "free energy" device that works as advertised.
  • "Zero point energy" is a standard concept in accepted "mainstream" science. Repeatability is high for this one.
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You can never prove anything impossible. Cold fusion has been demonstrated but reproducibility is still too low. Same with free energy but even lower reproducibility. Fundamental laws can be superceeded by new developments or at least modified to allow the new developments.

Zero point in the free energy community has a different meaning.
 
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