Ban on trans fats in eateries ?

[Roman]

Well, you may not have long to wait ....it's been coming to the USA in bigger and bigger steps for a long time now. It's been so slow that most people haven't even noticed it.

Did you know that it's a federal regulation that you can't stick your fingers or hands under a lawnmower while it's running? ....LOL!

Did you know that you're required by law to wear seatbelts?

Yeah, there's lots of things that our government is doing to "protect" us from ourselves ...and it takes a very big organization, with lots of tax money to keep it running.

Baron Max

There's also the socialist part of this. When we enter into socialized medicine, we all become financially responsible for reatrds fucking up.
Which is a bummer.
Hence, laws.

 

[madanthonywayne]

What would you suggest the government do?

I'm an advocate of preventive nutrition, so I fully support this move.

This is fascism. There should be no victimless crimes. If I want to eat foods made with trans-fats, it's my own business! If I want to smoke, drink, do drugs, not exercise, and die of a sudden heart attack at fifty or sixty rather than spending the last twenty years of my life in a nursing home, so be it.

We will all die of something. We are not immortal. Avoid heart disease, cancer will get you. Avoid cancer, alzheimer's gets you. Or maybe mad cow.

The safety nazi's know this, they simply have a desire to control. They are morally offended at the sight of someone eating a donut and seek to put an end to it.

Sam, you are no different than the closed minded right wing hicks seeking to arrest people for sodomy. Live and let live, Sam. Let the fat man have his donut!

Let Colonel Sanders live! Viva la KFC! Give me crispy creams, or give me death! Don't tread on trans-fats! You can have my donut when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

Sorry, got carried away there for a minute. But seriously, this is ridiculous.

 

[S.A.M.]

Frito_Lays has come out with potato chips made with sunflower oil.

Pretty good.

 

[lightgigantic]

I recall reading somewhere that when cooking oils were superheated to make them more resistant to going stale (which makes any cooking medium toxic) is when the incidents of heart disease started appearing epidemic - also interesting is that a ayurvedic cure for clogged arteries is taking reasonable quanities of cows ghee - a person I know was in a condition on the brink of requiring immediate surgery but they overcame it with this - of course they had to get traditionally made cow's ghee - the stuff that is commercially available doesn't do the trick

 

[Baron Max]

Frito_Lays has come out with potato chips made with sunflower oil. Pretty good.

But not as good as chips made with trans-fats! And, Sam, that's just the very problem that you fail to see ...while you might say they're pretty good, that does NOT equate to the taste of others. Please, please, understand ....you and people like you are doing nothing, advocating nothing, but controlling others to your own view.

Baron Max

 

[Nickelodeon]

As long as people know and have the choice between eating either, thats their problem. If people want to continue eating crap then they can go ahead. The only problem is that in the UK, the National Health Service gets bogged down with health problems that could have been avoided.

 

[spuriousmonkey]

But not as good as chips made with trans-fats! And, Sam, that's just the very problem that you fail to see ...while you might say they're pretty good, that does NOT equate to the taste of others. Please, please, understand ....you and people like you are doing nothing, advocating nothing, but controlling others to your own view.

Baron Max

The best chips are the ones laced with heroin. Apparently we should start selling those according to Baron Max.

 

[S.A.M.]

But not as good as chips made with trans-fats! And, Sam, that's just the very problem that you fail to see ...while you might say they're pretty good, that does NOT equate to the taste of others. Please, please, understand ....you and people like you are doing nothing, advocating nothing, but controlling others to your own view.

Baron Max

I was aiming for non-commital. In my opinion they taste much better.

What do you use to fry stuff at home, margarine or oil?

 

[Baron Max]

I was aiming for non-commital. In my opinion they taste much better.

Well, sure ...I guess. But since it's your thread, and the topic was basically about how great it was for the governemt to ban trans-fats, then I made the obvious connection. Sorry ...but I hope you can see how easy it was.

What do you use to fry stuff at home, margarine or oil?

I use mostly Olive Oil, but if I really want something to taste extra good, I use pure lard ...rendered fat from pigs! No, Sam, I am NOT joking! Foods fried in pure lard are the tastiest of all fried foods.

Baron Max

 

[S.A.M.]

Well, sure ...I guess. But since it's your thread, and the topic was basically about how great it was for the governemt to ban trans-fats, then I made the obvious connection. Sorry ...but I hope you can see how easy it was.



I use mostly Olive Oil, but if I really want something to taste extra good, I use pure lard ...rendered fat from pigs! No, Sam, I am NOT joking! Foods fried in pure lard are the tastiest of all fried foods.

Baron Max

Neither olive oil nor lard contain trans fats.

(unless the pigs are being fed hyfrogenated fats, then their lard may contain TFAs, as does ours under similar circumstances)

 

[Baron Max]

Neither olive oil nor lard contain trans fats.

Geez, Sam, I didn't say they did! You asked the question, I answered it. From now on, I won't answer your questions, okay?

Baron Max

 

[S.A.M.]

Geez, Sam, I didn't say they did! You asked the question, I answered it. From now on, I won't answer your questions, okay?

Baron Max

I didn't say you said they did, did I?

 

[philosopher´s stone]

NYC mulls ban on trans fats in eateries

The city health department unveiled a proposal Tuesday that would bar cooks at any of the city's 24,600 food service establishments from using ingredients that contain the artery-clogging substance, commonly listed on food labels as partially hydrogenated oil.

Artificial trans fats are found in some shortenings, margarine and frying oils and turn up in foods from pie crusts to french fries to doughnuts.

Doctors agree that trans fats are unhealthy in nearly any amount, but a spokesman for the restaurant industry said he was stunned the city would seek to ban a legal ingredient found in millions of American kitchens.

He said the proposal could create havoc: Cooks would be forced to discard old recipes and scrutinize every ingredient in their pantry. A restaurant could face a fine if an inspector finds the wrong type of vegetable shortening on its shelves.

The proposal also would create a huge problem for national chains. Among the fast foods that would need to get an overhaul or face a ban: McDonald's french fries, Kentucky Fried Chicken and several varieties of Dunkin' Donuts.

Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden acknowledged that the ban would be a challenge for restaurants, but he said trans fats can easily be replaced with substitute oils that taste the same or better and are far less unhealthy.

"It is a dangerous and unnecessary ingredient," Frieden said. "No one will miss it when it's gone."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060927/ap_on_he_me/diet_trans_fat_ban


Comments?

Denmark banned trans fat years ago - seeing it as a threat to the health of people - the mcdonalds in Denmark is the only place in the world where you don´t get trans fat in your burger ......

http://www.tfx.org.uk/page116.html

Damn those danes - ahead of US in everything , better economy, better wellfare, free medicare, free education , liberal thoughts on religion and muhammedcartoons - and now this final blow: forcing mcdonalds to serve healthy food !!!!! ...... is there no ends to the misery we have to suffer from the vikings - they even claim to have discovered America .......

 

[TruthSeeker]

Hahaha!

 

[Maikeru]

This is fascism. There should be no victimless crimes. If I want to eat foods made with trans-fats, it's my own business! If I want to smoke, drink, do drugs, not exercise, and die of a sudden heart attack at fifty or sixty rather than spending the last twenty years of my life in a nursing home, so be it.

We will all die of something. We are not immortal. Avoid heart disease, cancer will get you. Avoid cancer, alzheimer's gets you. Or maybe mad cow.

The safety nazi's know this, they simply have a desire to control. They are morally offended at the sight of someone eating a donut and seek to put an end to it.

Sam, you are no different than the closed minded right wing hicks seeking to arrest people for sodomy. Live and let live, Sam. Let the fat man have his donut!

Let Colonel Sanders live! Viva la KFC! Give me crispy creams, or give me death! Don't tread on trans-fats! You can have my donut when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

Sorry, got carried away there for a minute. But seriously, this is ridiculous.

Those who speak easily of death have nothing to fear of it, then, as life and death are trivial.

We all die of or from something, but many of us don't need to die 30-40 years before our time. Trans fats have no use in human health, and no beneficial use to our society, except gross and unnecessary waste, illness, and death.

 

[Baron Max]

Trans fats have no use in human health, and no beneficial use to our society, ....

If it had no beneficial use, then no one would use it! Restaurants use it for a reason, whether you agree with that reason or not.

Who are you to tell someone else what they can and can't use? Would you want others to tell you want to do, what to use, what not to use?

Forcing ones ideals, opinions and methods onto someone else simply can't be and shouldn't be tolerated by even the most avid doo-gooder! To do so is nothing short of totalitarianism or dictatorship. Is that what you want?

Those who speak easily of death have nothing to fear of it, then, as life and death are trivial.

You're right ...life and death IS trivial! It's only the human ego-centricism that tries to make it anything else. Humans have been living and dying for millions of years, for all kinds of reasons, and they're going to keep living and dying. Just that very principle makes life and death trivial in the grand scheme of things. Don't let your ego get the best of your good sense.

Baron Max

 

[Nickelodeon]

If it had no beneficial use, then no one would use it! Restaurants use it for a reason, whether you agree with that reason or not.

There is no beneficial use in the sense that using it does not make a meal more nutritious. Restaurants use it because it is a cheap alternative to butter and other oils and fats.

 

[Baron Max]

Restaurants use it because it is a cheap alternative to butter and other oils and fats.

Yeah, see? So it IS beneficial for the restaurants ....and that's not what you admitted to earlier!

I say again .....why should you or anyone else be permitted to force someone to do what they don't want or like to do? If the restaurants want to use trans-fats, the customers are not forced to eat there if they don't want to. What could be better than that base freedom for everyone?

If a restaurant wanted to serve fried rat shit, shouldn't it be up to the customers to decide if they want to eat fried rat shit or not?

Baron Max

 

[Nickelodeon]

I say again .....why should you or anyone else be permitted to force someone to do what they don't want or like to do? If the restaurants want to use trans-fats, the customers are not forced to eat there if they don't want to. What could be better than that base freedom for everyone?

I've already said that if people make an informed choice its up to them.

 

[Baron Max]

I've already said that if people make an informed choice its up to them.

But you somehow want to force them to be informed? What if they don't want to be informed, but just like the food?

How much of this bullshit that you're spouting is really and actually YOU wanting to force your opinions onto others???

And do you like it, want it, when others try to do that to you? ...claiming that you don't know enough to make your own choices???? Put the shoe on the other foot, Nick, and see how well you like it.

Baron Max