Ban on trans fats in eateries ?

[S.A.M.]

You know, consumers could always eat something other than fast food one night. That's the beauty of freedom of choice.

Or they could eat it, and perhaps exercise or simply deal with the health consequences. You can't control an entire population's consumption of a substance without chipping away at civil liberties ...

Hmm with overweight at 60% of the population and obesity at 30%, doesn't look like the government is left with much choice.

According to the American Heart Association, in the year 2004, the total annual cost of obesity in the United States was an astounding $ 368 billion.

One of the key findings of the IOM (Institute Of Medicine) panel on preventing childhood obesity was that one out of every five children in the United States will likely become obese by the year 2010, just three years from now.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/nation/4185563.html

Reports on the findings of University of Missouri-Columbia medical researchers Dr. Frank Booth and Dr. Simon Lees who said at the American College of Sports Medicine's 52nd Annual Conference in Nashville, Tennessee that they expect childhood obesity rates to be at 100 percent by the year 2044 and adult obesity rates to reach that level by 2058.

http://www.ivanhoe.com/channels/p_channelstory.cfm?storyid=11414

Its a very serious problem.

 

[redarmy11]

And it's not just France.

Nevertheless, the anti-smoking forces are swirling in Europe. Ireland, Italy, Malta, Norway and Sweden have already banned smoking in public places. Finland, Poland, Latvia and Hungary are expected to follow. And in the United States, several states and major cities -- such as Boston, Los Angeles, New York and San Francisco -- have smoking bans in place. Montgomery County has a ban in place, and the District is considering one.

Next, I suppose, will be a ban on the public consumption of trans-fat-flavoured cakes. It's a shame, as I particularly like to eat these whilst sitting on a park bench, watching people jogging. All that exercise makes me feel good.

 

[invert_nexus]

Hmm with overweight at 60% of the population and obesity at 30%, doesn't look like the government is left with much choice.

According to the American Heart Association, in the year 2004, the total annual cost of obesity in the United States was an astounding $ 368 billion.

Next, I suppose, there will be mandatory morning physical jerks with Big Brother.
You know, Winston had trouble touching his toes, but at least he had a few Victory cigarettes stashed away for after the two-minute hate.

And in the United States, several states and major cities -- such as Boston, Los Angeles, New York and San Francisco -- have smoking bans in place.

Seattle, too. Hell, I think it might be all of Washington State, actually... Not entirely sure on that one.
Luckily, I quit smoking a couple of years ago. Lucked out on that one for sure.
I still find it a ridiculous idea to walk into a bar and not see any smoke in the air. Something wrong with that.

The human race is going wrong.
And all with the warning cry of "Won't someone please think of the children?!"
I think it's time to ressurect Moloch worship and start sending our kiddies to dance the flames for the cow god. In which case, the more obese the better. Light the little fuckers up like candles and watch that fat burn!!

Reminds me of the Louvre digitally blurring out Sartre's cigarette... as though the very image of tobacco could tempt us weaker ones...

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

ALLHAIL!

 

[Satyr]

First a retard must be protected from nature and the world.

Then a retard must be protected from his fellow human beings.

At last a retard must be protected from himself.

No responsibility for self is tolerated….all must be blamed or another or be expected from another.

Domestication ….Institutionalization…..Feminization….

 

[S.A.M.]

Boy you guys are really attached to your fast food, huh?

 

[invert_nexus]

Boy you guys are really attached to your fast food, huh?

You're being deceitful and manipulative with this statement, Sam.

I've already pointed out to you that the majority of trans fats is not from fast food but rather from cakes, cookies, pies, breads, etc...
You can deep fry potatoes in whatever oil you want, it doesn't matter.
But, it does matter when it comes to pastry.

Next you're going to start poo-pooing Eurodisney. To do it right and proper, you should have a Marlboro hanging out of your mouth and say it with a ridiculous French accent, swine...


Also.
As Satyr has posted, and I have previously made clear with my quotes from Orwell, the issue is one of freedom.
Do you believe that the government should protect you from yourself?

And what about in 20 years when it's determined that this pewwwwwwfa causes cancer in laboratory animals? What then?

 

[S.A.M.]

You're being deceitful and manipulative with this statement, Sam.

I've already pointed out to you that the majority of trans fats is not from fast food but rather from cakes, cookies, pies, breads, etc...
You can deep fry potatoes in whatever oil you want, it doesn't matter.
But, it does matter when it comes to pastry.

Next you're going to start poo-pooing Eurodisney. To do it right and proper, you should have a Marlboro hanging out of your mouth and say it with a ridiculous French accent, swine...


Also.
As Satyr has posted, and I have previously made clear with my quotes from Orwell, the issue is one of freedom.
Do you believe that the government should protect you from yourself?

And what about in 20 years when it's determined that this pewwwwwwfa causes cancer in laboratory animals? What then?

So what do you think the governemnt should do?

What is the purpose of research and how can they combat childhood obesity and childhood diet related diseases, as well as adult heart disease?

 

[Roman]

So what do you think the governemnt should do?

About people getting fat? Nothing. The government hasn't a responsibility to keep people from deciding how to live their lives, at least in the case of the American government. Our government exsts to protect our freedoms, not tell us what's halal.

What is the purpose of research and how can they combat childhood obesity and childhood diet related diseases, as well as adult heart disease?

Purpose of research:
to learn, to discover.

How can we combat childhood diseases?
Real diseases, or the kinds we get from easy lives, knee pads and padding corners?
Education would be one way.
Sterilization would be another, more effective way.
Calorie rationing would also be effective, as would controlled periods of mild starvation.

Seriously.
People are fat because of the way they live. They choose it, they cope with it. It's no one's responsibility to save me from myself, except mine. It's not your responsibility, and it certainly isn't the government's responsibility.

 

[invert_nexus]

About what? Fat kids?
Nothing.
If anything, light the fires of Moloch and send the fat little piggies to dance the flames.

Actually, what needs to be done is to end this idea that everyone deserves a free ride. This litigation mentality that has health care rates going through the roof because doctors are scared shitless of malpractice law suits.

If you want to eat unhealthy. Then accept the consequences.
If you want to smoke cigarettes? Then accept the consequences.
If you want to hurt yourself in any way, shape, or form. Good. Do it. Accept the consequences.

The government shouldn't do anything.
Shouldn't have to do anything.

Except build Moloch idols.

 

[S.A.M.]

Who pays the health care costs?

 

[invert_nexus]

Who do you think?

 

[invert_nexus]

Sigh.
No.
Not taxes.
Not the government.
You're sick. You pay the doctor. Simple as that.

Health care wouldn't be so expensive if it weren't for malpractice insurance. If it weren't for the sue-happy. If it weren't for whiners complaining about how all the trans fat in those tasty apple pies they stuff in their fat greedy faces is killing them and someone should pay for their problems besides themselves.....

The problem is that this cycle has gone so far that it's difficult to understand how it might be reversed so that health care can become reasonable again. But, surely there must be some method.

Edit: Heh. YOu deleted, naughty girl.
I take it that you belated realized that 'taxes' was not the proper response?
You're slow sometimes, yes?
Is this idea that the government is a baby sitter so entrenched in you that you can't see any other way? Is that how things are in India?

 

[redarmy11]

If you want to eat unhealthy. Then accept the consequences.

But seriously, ladies and gentlemen. To borrow from one of Roman's recent threads: do we all have perfect information on this, so that we can make a rational choice? I'm in favour of improved health education. On the case for a ban, I'm undecided.

 

[S.A.M.]

But seriously, ladies and gentlemen. To borrow from one of Roman's recent threads: do we all have perfect information on this, so that we can make a rational choice? I'm in favour of improved health education. On the case for a ban, I'm undecided.

Nutrition information is available but cannot combat the advertising from fast food.

 

[invert_nexus]

Sacharrine causes cancer in laboratory mice.
Yay.

 

[S.A.M.]

Sigh.
No.
Not taxes.
Not the government.
You're sick. You pay the doctor. Simple as that.

Health care wouldn't be so expensive if it weren't for malpractice insurance. If it weren't for the sue-happy. If it weren't for whiners complaining about how all the trans fat in those tasty apple pies they stuff in their fat greedy faces is killing them and someone should pay for their problems besides themselves.....

The problem is that this cycle has gone so far that it's difficult to understand how it might be reversed so that health care can become reasonable again. But, surely there must be some method.

Edit: Heh. YOu deleted, naughty girl.
I take it that you belated realized that 'taxes' was not the proper response?
You're slow sometimes, yes?
Is this idea that the government is a baby sitter so entrenched in you that you can't see any other way? Is that how things are in India?

I was going to frame it better but you were too quick for me.

In India, we believe in the value of long term consequences and overall benefit to society over the individual.

Nobody would oppose a ban on something proved to be unhealthy.

We've already stopped using hydrogenated fats more than 10 years ago.

We replaced hydrogenated fats with either oil, or where texture is an issue with butter or clarified butter.

There was no media announcement, the oil industries and government looked at the available science and themselves instigated the change. The market used to be flooded with vanaspati (hydrogenated oil) now its corn and safflower oil. There is a lot of media advertising promoting the benefits of oils over fats and price being comparable, people automatically made the switch.

But then we don't have a fast food culture.

I've eaten home made food all my life.

 

[invert_nexus]

Nutriton information is available but cannot combat the advertising from fast food.

There you go again...
What is it with non-Americans and their disgust for 'fast food'?

Pie.
The key word for today is PIE.
Apple fucking pie.
American as apple fucking pie.

And mama's little baby loves shortnin' bread.

sigh.

 

[invert_nexus]

We've already stopped using hydrogenated fats more than 10 years ago.

You suck.

 

[redarmy11]

invert_nexus, you're being deliberately obtuse. You know perfectly well that all those apple fucking pies aren't good for you and yet, like me, and like most of us, you just can't bring yourself to care.

You're a very bad boy. Admit it.

 

[Roman]

But seriously, ladies and gentlemen. To borrow from one of Roman's recent threads: do we all have perfect information on this, so that we can make a rational choice? I'm in favour of improved health education. On the case for a ban, I'm undecided.

I didn't know anyone frequented the economics forum save to shout "Capitlsim r dum!!" and "no its not!"


Improved education would be good.
I remember in 6th grade health class the nurse came in to talk to us about the importance of nutrition. She must have weighed 350 pounds. Probably hadn't had sex in years. I was appauled that this fat ass was telling me how to live my life. So appauled that I spent the next 6 years sculpting my abs into rock hard defintion, so I could eat greasy burgers, letting trans fat slide down my face and across my naked, cut torso.


I digress.
The fairest way, in our society, to implement social change, is to teach the individual. Or cause a sweet paradigm shift with focused media campaigns. I'd like to see what they did with anti-smoking done for pro-bulemia. Hot teachers would show middle school girls how to throw up after meals by stuffing a couple fingers down their throat.

Ideally we won't do anything about the plague of fatties. If they want to get fat, let them get fat. If they want to get skinny, it's their perogative to put the fork down and start running, not mine, not your's.