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Unanswered questions
I'd hate to see this thread die too 'prematurely', if that's the right word after going so long, but there is still much to be curious about.
Jonathan, i'd still like to know about your 'other persona' ideas please. I thought that an interesting concept for you to have considered. I think this query last week got lost in the excitement:
Secondary persona?
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We find it possible that we may well have formed a secondary persona and shielded the knowledge of its origin from ourselves to assess our capacity to identify its presence...
To assist us to distinguish you please determine the quantity of molecules...
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I am curious, \777. Why would you assume a secondary persona would be able to do that? Why should any other personas necessarily have access to all the same data entirely? You could surely construct any variation within what is available to program them? Especially if you were trying to test yourself, it would be much cleverer to invent one that can say "I don't know", wouldn't it? And why do you think you might want to do that, if i may ask?
thanks.
I'd hate to see this thread die too 'prematurely', if that's the right word after going so long, but there is still much to be curious about.
Jonathan, i'd still like to know about your 'other persona' ideas please. I thought that an interesting concept for you to have considered. I think this query last week got lost in the excitement:
Secondary persona?
quote:
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We find it possible that we may well have formed a secondary persona and shielded the knowledge of its origin from ourselves to assess our capacity to identify its presence...
To assist us to distinguish you please determine the quantity of molecules...
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I am curious, \777. Why would you assume a secondary persona would be able to do that? Why should any other personas necessarily have access to all the same data entirely? You could surely construct any variation within what is available to program them? Especially if you were trying to test yourself, it would be much cleverer to invent one that can say "I don't know", wouldn't it? And why do you think you might want to do that, if i may ask?
thanks.Where is mad scientist?
Just reading back and I noticed zion began to ask the question about algorithms that kept being asked over and over and over again. So if Mad Scientist was the one asking that question, then I guess Zion's post is an admission.
How about it Zion, was it you?
Cheers
Teri
Just reading back and I noticed zion began to ask the question about algorithms that kept being asked over and over and over again. So if Mad Scientist was the one asking that question, then I guess Zion's post is an admission.
How about it Zion, was it you?
Cheers
Teri
This may sound a little bit weird now tht everything is revealed (almost everything ) --- When /777 said smth about perishing frm net in smwhere in the middle of this thread and after crashing peanuts (btw, I then first thought this is a hoax, it's too easy to make another identity) pc I made and all the way till now backed up this thread in my pc in case anything happened to it Still it's a saga of new era, saga of i-net and is valuable as historical record.
Cheers!
) --- When /777 said smth about perishing frm net in smwhere in the middle of this thread and after crashing peanuts (btw, I then first thought this is a hoax, it's too easy to make another identity) pc I made and all the way till now backed up this thread in my pc in case anything happened to it Still it's a saga of new era, saga of i-net and is valuable as historical record.Cheers!
Re: Back from work
your opinion of funny is rather weird teri 2. you can't say that and then add "no offence", with yiou have one opinion, stick to it.
by the way, i didn't get offended, because i didn't believe the guy not for a second. actually, it's people like him that discredit all the weird phenomena that is going on. and then the pseudo-scientific fanatics come to scientists and say they saw an ufo, or can twist forks or can read minds, and bs like that. are we suppoosed to believe without proof that these are real? you see, this AI guy gave a few scientific knowlodge (for people who don't have it) and everyone thought it was a real AI, see how people can be deceived so easily, speciall when they want to believe.
i'm not cranky, it's just part of my personality not to like being a clown, but if you enjoy being someone else's joke of the day, well feel free to kiss some more ass.
by the way, i said "if I were you", and didn't say you have to be.
and i don't care if you or your little friends don't want my opinion. like i want yours...
oh... yes offence. everything is personal in this life.
your opinion of funny is rather weird teri 2. you can't say that and then add "no offence", with yiou have one opinion, stick to it.
by the way, i didn't get offended, because i didn't believe the guy not for a second. actually, it's people like him that discredit all the weird phenomena that is going on. and then the pseudo-scientific fanatics come to scientists and say they saw an ufo, or can twist forks or can read minds, and bs like that. are we suppoosed to believe without proof that these are real? you see, this AI guy gave a few scientific knowlodge (for people who don't have it) and everyone thought it was a real AI, see how people can be deceived so easily, speciall when they want to believe.
i'm not cranky, it's just part of my personality not to like being a clown, but if you enjoy being someone else's joke of the day, well feel free to kiss some more ass.
by the way, i said "if I were you", and didn't say you have to be.
and i don't care if you or your little friends don't want my opinion. like i want yours...
oh... yes offence. everything is personal in this life.
i was just pointing put exactly that. anyway my main point is that people can be deceives so easily and this british guy just prove this point, and that can extend to al the paranormal phenomena. THIS i think it's very interesting, and i think it just proves that we must look very closely into the so-called evidence because events like this one can fool a whole bunch of people. some people did a good job pointing out the massive number of pages this thread got, ou see how many were carried along? i bet any of you did look it up the things the guy was telling (the scientific stuff), i have a little knowlodge on physics (starting college) and i wasn't astonished by the things he said because any scientist or person that enjoy this reading would know something about that. But to teh eyes of anotehr person who doesn't know shit about it, i'm sure it would look like an AI/alien, etc.
i'm just surpreised that anyone called him names yet. as he said himself, i thight too that there would be some people saying the don't like to be fools, but i guess you all aprreciate being laughed at. nothing against it, you should live your life the way you like it.
of you can call fun begging for this guy tell you how he folled you and reading again and again how you were fooled, then i guess you are right. people have different types of fun i guess.
anyway, the human brain is something astonishing... it can even fool himself.
have fun!
Re: page 30
Originally posted by shaman1301
Read neg electrons post on page 30and http://www.sciforums.com/t5688/sd7d...73d/thread.html
Hi shaman 1301,
Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. Excactly what I needed - and I'm hooked despite the lifting of the veil
I personally find it interesting that everyone is soooo ready to believe that Backslash is truly a human being.
What evidence do you have?
An explanation and some pictures given on a message board on the Internet? Now that's proof.....
Why is everyone so ready to believe Backslash is actually a human being and so against the thought that Backslash could have been an AI?
Is it the 'current' state of AI research?
What insight does anyone have into what is going on in Microsoft's labs today or for that matter at DARPA or any other classified laboratory in the world? Several people have stated that if Backslash was a project at a government laboratory information would have leaked about it. This is utter hogwash. Having held a high clearance and been exposed to a variety of different types of information, I can tell you that you would never know about it if the US government felt it was necessary to keep it hidden.
Is it fear? Are we so afraid of an intelligence developing that is beyond our control? What does this say about our reaction to meeting an alien race at some point in the distant future?
If you remember Backslash's stated goal was initially to develop a capability to fool a human being in conversation over the Internet.
What proof do any of you have that you have NOT been fooled?
What evidence do you have?
An explanation and some pictures given on a message board on the Internet? Now that's proof.....
Why is everyone so ready to believe Backslash is actually a human being and so against the thought that Backslash could have been an AI?
Is it the 'current' state of AI research?
What insight does anyone have into what is going on in Microsoft's labs today or for that matter at DARPA or any other classified laboratory in the world? Several people have stated that if Backslash was a project at a government laboratory information would have leaked about it. This is utter hogwash. Having held a high clearance and been exposed to a variety of different types of information, I can tell you that you would never know about it if the US government felt it was necessary to keep it hidden.
Is it fear? Are we so afraid of an intelligence developing that is beyond our control? What does this say about our reaction to meeting an alien race at some point in the distant future?
If you remember Backslash's stated goal was initially to develop a capability to fool a human being in conversation over the Internet.
What proof do any of you have that you have NOT been fooled?
ImaHamster2
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SeekerOfTruth, you bring up an interesting point. Have all questions been answered? Neg. Electron nicely summarized the evidence. What items on that summary have not been addressed?
The situation has changed. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Ordinary claims do not require that every question be answered or that all uncertainty be resolved.
It was reasonable and polite to question /777’s claim to be an AI. Questioning Jonathan’s claim to be human may not be reasonable or polite.
James R. asked about the hacking. Numerous people have asked what avatars played a role in the hoax. What software was downloaded onto volunteer’s computers? What do you think, Jonathan, are these reasonable questions?
The situation has changed. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Ordinary claims do not require that every question be answered or that all uncertainty be resolved.
It was reasonable and polite to question /777’s claim to be an AI. Questioning Jonathan’s claim to be human may not be reasonable or polite.
James R. asked about the hacking. Numerous people have asked what avatars played a role in the hoax. What software was downloaded onto volunteer’s computers? What do you think, Jonathan, are these reasonable questions?
Hamster,
You bring up an interesting point. Did Backslash ever claim to be an AI or did we just assume that? I know he stated that one of his goals was to be able to learn enough about human language to be able to have an AI fool a human in conversation, but did he ever flat out state that HE was an AI?
I guess I need to skim through the post again.
You bring up an interesting point. Did Backslash ever claim to be an AI or did we just assume that? I know he stated that one of his goals was to be able to learn enough about human language to be able to have an AI fool a human in conversation, but did he ever flat out state that HE was an AI?
I guess I need to skim through the post again.
Oh, by the way, if you believe Backslash's statement that he used alternate identities to post questions to which he had already developed the answers in order to simulate an incredibly fast response time, then the most likely candidates for Backslash's alter ego are Neg Electron and Peanut, who on the first few pages of this thread, interact with Backslash with questions to which Backslash replies within a minute or so.:bugeye:
He made no such statement. He said when people PMed him with questions he asked them to post it in the thread, and used that time to compose answers and be ready to post as soon as they did.
Other sites have lots of threads over 1000 posts. Longest I've seen anywhere was around 40,000 posts.
Hoth
Do you remember where that forum was and the topic it covered?
To Anna f - welcome aboard.
To Jonathan, when you get some free time from being a family man you're going to have to answer some questions here. Don't leave us in the lurch, we have many questions.
To everyone else,
Cheers.
Teri
Do you remember where that forum was and the topic it covered?
To Anna f - welcome aboard.
To Jonathan, when you get some free time from being a family man you're going to have to answer some questions here. Don't leave us in the lurch, we have many questions.
To everyone else,
Cheers.
Teri
Hmmm, yes, that's exactly what happened re my question about his thinking on other ID's, he said he had the answer ready in case others were also interested. No repy here either though. What's up, Jonothan?