Atlantis was real?

* Sigh * I'm afraid Fraggle is right. Just keep that in mind next time you litter.

The earlier posts about South America being Atlantis were interesting. Anyone going down there for a closer look? Should be lots of artifacts in the lake, if that theory were correct.
 
Assuming, of course, the use of plastics. If they didn't use oil they couldn't have made plastics. When was oil put to the soil, anyway?

If Atlantis was a self-sustaining city with little contact outside (like Eldorado), and then got fragged, the necessary tools might not have survived. A car isn't much use without fuel (an example), and being no use would have then been scrapped for spearheads or fishnetweights or whatever you did need. Without a working infrastructure know-how is useless. Thinkers just didn't pay themselves in if you needed food, now! I am assuming total chaos, of course. Something like the ice age occuring at the same time. The struggle for survival might have dampened the need of technology, and lots of stuff would have been retooled just to survive.

Suppose the ancient thinkers saw the decline of technology, as people had literally their hands full with survival. There would be almost no time to teach younger kids, and within a dozen generations science would fall into superstitions. Seeing this the atlantians decided to write stuff down. They lacked paper, so they scrawled on walls on caves. And lacking paints, they didn't have the luxury of writing 120 pages long scientific notations. Also, paper would have crumbled. Or been used as firestarters.

They also noticed that it would take a long time before anyone had the time to think about things, and in that time the language would change beyond recognizion. So instead they drew stuff, like some notations of species and ecosystem or such things they doubted would survive.

Few thousand years later things got better, but almost nothing remained, as it had been salvaged by the now-savages. But each tribe carried some of that wealth, in legends and in myths. The island theory would fit better with frantic escapes by boats. Civilization would spread around the globe, certainly explaining how the same legends got around everywhere (The chinese and vikings share a same story of fruits of immortality found on islands).

(yeah, it's more fiction than even a theory but...)
 
Ogmios said:
Assuming, of course, the use of plastics. If they didn't use oil they couldn't have made plastics. When was oil put to the soil, anyway?

If Atlantis was a self-sustaining city with little contact outside (like Eldorado), and then got fragged, the necessary tools might not have survived. A car isn't much use without fuel (an example), and being no use would have then been scrapped for spearheads or fishnetweights or whatever you did need. Without a working infrastructure know-how is useless. Thinkers just didn't pay themselves in if you needed food, now! I am assuming total chaos, of course. Something like the ice age occuring at the same time. The struggle for survival might have dampened the need of technology, and lots of stuff would have been retooled just to survive.

Suppose the ancient thinkers saw the decline of technology, as people had literally their hands full with survival. There would be almost no time to teach younger kids, and within a dozen generations science would fall into superstitions. Seeing this the atlantians decided to write stuff down. They lacked paper, so they scrawled on walls on caves. And lacking paints, they didn't have the luxury of writing 120 pages long scientific notations. Also, paper would have crumbled. Or been used as firestarters.

They also noticed that it would take a long time before anyone had the time to think about things, and in that time the language would change beyond recognizion. So instead they drew stuff, like some notations of species and ecosystem or such things they doubted would survive.

Few thousand years later things got better, but almost nothing remained, as it had been salvaged by the now-savages. But each tribe carried some of that wealth, in legends and in myths. The island theory would fit better with frantic escapes by boats. Civilization would spread around the globe, certainly explaining how the same legends got around everywhere (The chinese and vikings share a same story of fruits of immortality found on islands).

(yeah, it's more fiction than even a theory but...)
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It's interesting to note for example, how the Neanderthals crude stone tools, burials, camp fire meals and their cave paintings survived over 100,000 years and yet nothing of the Atlantians artifacts of their so-called advanced technology have been found and confirmed todate. Makes you wonder a little, doesn't it? :D
 
Ogmios said:
Like all advanced civilizations, they believed in recycling! :p
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If that's the case, then the Atlantians must have recycled themselves along with their so-called advanced technology. :D
 
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I think this thread has spread its course to extinction. Time to start a new one if anyone has any solid info related to another discovery that they think might be similar to - but not just blind speculation to - this one.

Oh, Oh. And my dog just told me that his great, great, great, great....grandparents were Atlantians. Is this Sciforum or Scifi-forum?
 
valich said:
I think this thread has spread its course to extinction. Time to start a new one if anyone has any solid info related to another discovery that they think might be similar to - but not just blind speculation to - this one.

Oh, Oh. And my dog just told me that his great, great, great, great....grandparents were Atlantians. Is this Sciforum or Scifi-forum?
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Is your dog's name Plato or Pluto? :D
 
Well according to ancient Indian scripts-

The so-called "Rama Empire" of Northern India and Pakistan developed at least fifteen thousand years ago on the Indian sub-continent and was a nation of many large, sophisticated cities, many of which are still to be found in the deserts of Pakistan, northern, and western India.

Rama existed, apparently, parallel to the Atlantean civilization in the mid-Atlantic Ocean, and was ruled by "enlightened Priest-Kings" who governed the cities, The seven greatest capital cities of Rama were known in classical Hindu texts as "The Seven Rishi Cities."

According to ancient Indian texts, the people had flying machines which were called "Vimanas." The ancient Indian epic describes a Vimana as a double-deck, circular aircraft with portholes and a dome, much as we would imagine a flying saucer.

It is evident that ancient Indians flew around in these vehicles, all over Asia, to Atlantis presumably; and even, apparently, to South America. Writing found at Mohenjodaro in Pakistan (presumed to be one of the "Seven Rishi Cities of the Rama Empire") and still undeciphered, has also been found in one other place in the world: Easter Island!

Unfortunately, Vimanas, like most scientific discoveries, were ultimately used for war. Atlanteans used their flying machines, "Vailixi," a similar type of aircraft, to literally try and subjugate the world, it would seem, if Indian texts are to be believed. The Atlanteans, known as "Asvins" in the Indian writings, were apparently even more advanced technologically than the Indians, and certainly of a more war-like temperment.

Although no ancient texts on Atlantean Vailixi are known to exist, some information has come down through esoteric, "occult" sources which describe their flying machines. Similar, if not identical to Vimanas, Vailixi were generally "cigar shaped" and had the capability of maneuvering underwater as well as in the atmosphere or even outer space. Other vehicles, like Vimanas, were saucer shaped, and could apparently also be submerged.

The Ramayana, Mahabarata and other texts speak of the hideous war that took place, some ten or twelve thousand years ago between Atlantis and Rama using weapons of destruction that could not be imagined by readers until the second half of this century.
 
Since we're still in the first half of this century, I imagine we'll still have to continue to guess as to what they were.

Interesting story, but I'd like to see the original text and/or English translation.
 
There is no doubt that most of these texts are authentic; many are the well known ancient Indian Epics themselves, and there are literally hundreds of them. Most of them have not even been translated into English yet from the old Sanskrit.

Only a few years ago, the Chinese discovered some Sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the University said recently that the documents contain directions for building interstellar spaceships!

Their method of propulsion, she said, was "anti-gravitational" and was based upon a system analogous to that of "laghima," the unknown power of the ego existing in man's physiological makeup, "a centrifugal force strong enough to counteract all gravitational pull." According to Hindu Yogis, it is this "laghima" which enables a person to levitate.

The manuscripts were also said to reveal the secret of "antima"; "the cap of invisibility" and "garima"; "how to become as heavy as a mountain of lead."

Naturally, Indian scientists did not take the texts very seriously, but then became more positive about the value of them when the Chinese announced that they were including certain parts of the data for study in their space program! This was one of the first instances of a government admitting to be researching anti-gravity.

The Vaimanika Sastra (or Vymaanika-Shaastra) has eight chapters with diagrams, describing three types of aircraft, including apparatuses that could neither catch on fire nor break. It also mentions 31 essential parts of these vehicles and 16 materials from which they are constructed, which absorb light and heat; for which reason they were considered suitable for the construction of Vimanas.

This document has been translated into English and is available by writing the publisher: VYMAANIDASHAASTRA AERONAUTICS by Maharishi Bharadwaaja, translated into English and edited, printed and published by Mr. G. R. Josyer, Mysore, India, 1979 (sorry, no street address). Mr. Josyer is the director of the International Academy of Sanskrit Investigation located in Mysore.

That secret societies or "Brotherhoods" of exceptional, "enlightened" human beings would have preserved these inventions and the knowledge of science, history, etc., does not seem surprising. Many well known historical personages including Jesus, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Confucius, Krishna, Zoroaster, Mahavira, Quetzalcoatl, Akhenaton, Moses, and more recent inventors and of course many other people who will probably remain anonymous, were probably members of such a secret organization.

It has been suggested by many writers that these "Brotherhoods" keep some of their Vimanas and Vailixi in secret caverns in Tibet or some other place is Central Asia, and the Lop Nor Desert in western China is known to be the center of a great UFO mystery.
 
Ummh. Wasn't this in a Jules Verne's movie: "The New Atlantis"? Our great author of science fiction? Read his works "Les Voyages Extraordinaires"
 
I read that in southern Iraq in the course of an exploratory digging at a level before 16,000 years ago a floor of fused glass was revealed similar to nothing else than the desert floor in New Mexico after atomic weapons tests.
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That's wrong! There are similar places in lower Egypt.
The phenomen happens when a meteorite explodes in the atmosphere above a desert.
Tutanhamon had a ring made of just such a glass.

p.s. You better give sources for the information you claim. Currently it's at the level of "one auntie said". No offense, but that is not enough for a scientific discussion.

I'm not saying that a civilisation wasn't possible then, just that your information lacks credibility.
 
That's why I started by I read! And if they were atomic scars do you think mainstream history would not cover it up with your info! :D
 
Kendall said:
That's why I started by I read! And if they were atomic scars do you think mainstream history would not cover it up with your info! :D
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It's still debateable whether or not the Neanderthals had atomic weopons. I for one think that they 'didn't' have atomic weopons. Clubs maybe.:D
 
It cant be hard to tell the difference between a atomic blast and a astroid, comet or meteor, im 50/50 since I never seen any real reports. One thing thats strange is that if the ocean has risen only 600 feet why is there ocean floor 2000 to 4000 feet below sea level that was above sea level just 13,000 to 20,000 years ago? Must be more than just the sea rising at work!
 
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Kendall, we need specific place names at least. Actual scientific references would be best.
 
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