Are you ashamed of your ancestors?

[S.A.M.]

She made no distinction of national heritage, just skin color.

Aside from that, let's take it as a given she means causasian for the sake of argument...
There are no caucasians living in the Middle East?
There are no people of European Descent living in India?

There are, but they will have to be white in the way Tom Alter is, to qualify for the fold

First of all, unless you are saying all white people are racist and will not allow people of other colors to shop in their stores - which is patently false - your statement is fairly meaningless.
Secondly, even if you had a valid point regarding commonality of racism in white people, that still does not imply a common culture, customs, beliefs, religion, practices or anything else that defines a culture.

Lets just say that I have lived with Asians, Arabs and whites and there is only one of them that made me feel like a lesser human being. You can see a similar dynamics at play in these forums, if you observe.

 

[one_raven]

Lets just say that I have lived with Asians, Arabs and whites and there is only one of them that made me feel like a lesser human being.

So all are the same?
This defines "White Culture"?

 

[S.A.M.]

It appears to be a recurring theme at the very least.

 

[one_raven]

It appears to be a recurring theme at the very least.

So because you have some met some racist caucasions, racism is what defines this "White Culture".
Do you honestly not see the irony in that?

 

[S.A.M.]

So because you have some met some racist caucasions, racism is what defines this "White Culture".
Do you honestly not see the irony in that?

Its a little broader than that. I just had, for example, a conversation with a poster who applauds the notion that theists are insane, because he doesn't agree with their beliefs, but is affronted by the notion that another member considers him unnatural because he is gay.

The idea that tolerance embraces an ideology one agrees with is a kind of white culture, I think.

 

[sniffy]

So because you have some met some racist caucasions, racism is what defines this "White Culture".
Do you honestly not see the irony in that?

I've met an 'awful lot' of racist whites funnily enough. Racists are not just the red neck foaming rabids that we all know and ridicule. Some of them wear suits and sit next to you on the train and you might never know..... Some of them walk their kids down the street to school.... and you might never know.... Get them at home with a few drinks down them and phewee it all comes pouring out.....

Some of them have just learned to rephrase or keep quiet about certain things IRL.

That isn't to say that only whites are racist. Certainly not.

They are all human and therin lies the key to it all.

Underground things fester. Out in the open they get chewed over and dispensed with.

Again for those with a genuine interest:

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-event-how-racist-are-you

 

[superstring01]

I just had, for example, a conversation with a poster who applauds the notion that theists are insane, because he doesn't agree with their beliefs, but is affronted by the notion that another member considers him unnatural because he is gay.

SAM. You are a liar.

I didn't "applaud" the notion. I agreed with it to a certain extent. I listed the exceptions and the variables, which you conveniently left out.

Furthermore, I said, I'm okay with people hating me because I'm gay, prejudice is human and, honestly, I've got bigger issues to worry about other than people not liking where I stick my dick. In fact, I even said, there's an argument to be made that being gay is un-natural, if you wanted to push the "natural" issue (which, I pointed out, really wasn't too relevant anymore because we are no longer natural beings).

My issue with Draq was his statement that there were no gays in Russia. Get a clue.

The idea that tolerance embraces an ideology one agrees with is a kind of white culture, I think.

It sounds--for example--awfully religious to me.

 

[superstring01]

Here's my exact quote:

It's scientifically possible that it's a genetic flaw, and arguable that it's unnatural. Clearly it's would not be the first evolutionary choice, nor the choice of most conceiving parents. But that, for me isn't a moral argument since we, as intelligent beings, have clearly transcended "nature" and "evolution". Our purpose goes beyond just existing within a natural cycle. Moreover, you do have religious beliefs which gravitate towards the Abrahamic variety, so it wouldn't surprise me to hear that you feel that way.

While I don't relish such a fact, It's my opinion within the next fifty years that most parents will have the ability to genetically pre-screen their children. People often times get angry about this fact (we often times revolt against our more empathetic sides, especially when reality conflicts with our Utopian dreams). It's infuriating to think about parents deciding what traits their children should have, especially when it may be to the exclusion of certain qualities that large segments of the population currently value. Personally, I'm a realist and I think in order to step to the next level of evolution, we'll have to sacrifice some of our more touchy-feely notions of who we are and just accept the fact that some sub-cultures may end up disappearing (i.e. gays, deaf people), because science will remove those factors.

Do I wish for it to happen? Not necessarily. But I'm also aware that most parents will want to secretly give their children every advantage and every chance at "normality." Sure, there will be those who potentially select for homosexuality, but realistically this segment of the population will shrink until it disappears. I've pointed out that I'm of the opinion that our shape and form will probably not survive the next 150 years. With the advent of nano and genetic technologies what it means to be "human" now may well go out the door.

~String

~String

 

[Trippy]

I don't think Middle Easterners are considered white any more than white Indians are.

But yeah, there is a commonality of culture between white Germans, white Africans and white Australians. They all share European roots and will not show each other out a store becuase of colour

I'm not sure I agree with this statement.

Europeans can be just as hating of other Europeans as anyone else.

You just need to look at the history of the UK (eg Scot's v's English) for historic examples, or more recently there's Serbia/Montenegro.

 

[S.A.M.]

SAM. You are a liar.

I didn't "applaud" the notion. I agreed with it to a certain extent. I listed the exceptions and the variables, which you conveniently left out.

.

Here's my exact quote:



~String

I was referring to this:

Probably the best way I've ever heard that put. Kudos.

~String

Kudos

 

[superstring01]

I was referring to this:


Kudos

So, you selectively picked the conversation apart, failed to provide a truthful example of what I stated, and then, furthermore, lied about my issues with Draq.

~String

 

[S.A.M.]

So, you selectively picked the conversation apart, failed to provide a truthful example of what I stated, and then, furthermore, lied about my issues with Draq.

~String

No I merely documented your res gestae reaction to the statement that theists are insane.

 

[Lori_7]

"White" is not a culture. "White people" is far too diverse a group to be considered "a culture" by any stretch of the word.

ok, allow me to regroup/backtrack here if you will. perhaps i worded my initial post incorrectly when i said i'm not fond of white people. i'm marrying a white man. i'm white; i do not self-loath. most of my friends are white, and for the most part, i love people, regardless of their race. race is not a consideration to me on a day to day basis.

now the OP has to do with ancestors. my immediate ancestors ie family, i love. but as i said before, they're also racists, which i did not like one bit, and my brother and i have actually counseled my father extensively to turn his mindset around.

what i dislike about white people in a general sense, when you look at the world today and who's in charge and why, and how it's come about...i don't like elitism, industrialization, commercialization, or capitalism. i don't appreciate how many white people think they're better than every other race/culture, and the US is better than any other country, when the majority of US citizens at least have not ever even stepped foot outside their own country, or town for that matter, or integrated themselves with other cultures in the least. in my opinion there seems to be a mindset among whites that every other culture would be better off if they were just like us. to the point where we intrude and inflict our culture and ideologies on others around the world. when i look at white people, particularly in the US, i see a lot of fat, lazy people on drugs, who don't give a shit about anything except getting laid and paid, at the expense of any quality of life, and at the expense of the environment. everything is institutionalized and i can see that this lifestyle is brought about by the agendas of primarily white men who want to get rich.

now i know that inside every race and culture, there are individuals who may or may not represent the majority. but what i am referring to in my posts are the major trends of relative modern day life and who are responsible for the trends.

 

[Lori_7]

Furthermore, I said, I'm okay with people hating me because I'm gay, prejudice is human and, honestly, I've got bigger issues to worry about other than people not liking where I stick my dick. In fact, I even said, there's an argument to be made that being gay is un-natural, if you wanted to push the "natural" issue (which, I pointed out, really wasn't too relevant anymore because we are no longer natural beings).

My issue with Draq was his statement that there were no gays in Russia. Get a clue.



It sounds--for example--awfully religious to me.

as a sidenote superstring, i find it a bit ironic that you're so up in arms about racism, when you are an admitted genderist (#1 top ten least favorite things).

 

[superstring01]

as a sidenote superstring, i find it a bit ironic that you're so up in arms about racism, when you are an admitted genderist (#1 top ten least favorite things).

Sigh. Lori. You are so desperate it's both amusing and sad. That list was a JOKE. Humor.

There's a word called "context". READ THE OTHER POSTS, as well as what I INCLUDED IN MINE! I also said in that same list that I hate "The Dutch", which was a dig at my buddy Enmos, who is from Dutch empire of Holland.

Now, what you just did was called (and I recently pointed this out to another member) a "rhetorical dodge" or "red herring". You're desperately avoiding answering for your own post, so you are creating distractions.

An earlier example provided to another member is this:

Girl A: Hey, Suzy, I saw your mother slap a little boy at the park today.
Girl B: Whatever, Lucy, your mother is a whore and everybody knows it.​

See, you avoided the issue by attempting to point the finger at somebody else. Not really honest, is it?

~String

 

[superstring01]

No I merely documented your res gestae reaction to the statement that theists are insane.

And. . . failed to note the relevance of the rest of the conversation, and concluded your statement with a lie about another conversation (you remember: The one with Draq).

~String

 

[S.A.M.]

And. . . failed to note the relevance of the rest of the conversation, and concluded your statement with a lie about another conversation (you remember: The one with Draq).

~String

Oh please. You agreed with glaucons statement with no reservations and then gave me some ladida about supporting statements against Jews and Negroes, but couldn't admit that theists don't really count as "anybody".

This is obvious at sciforums and your attitude is just reflective of the general policy. It really does not matter what you say when you do nothing.

 

[Lori_7]

Sigh. Lori. You are so desperate it's both amusing and sad. That list was a JOKE. Humor.

There's a word called "context". READ THE OTHER POSTS, as well as what I INCLUDED IN MINE! I also said in that same list that I hate "The Dutch", which was a dig at my buddy Enmos, who is from Dutch empire of Holland.

Now, what you just did was called (and I recently pointed this out to another member) a "rhetorical dodge" or "red herring". You're desperately avoiding answering for your own post, so you are creating distractions.

An earlier example provided to another member is this:

Girl A: Hey, Suzy, I saw your mother slap a little boy at the park today.
Girl B: Whatever, Lucy, your mother is a whore and everybody knows it.​

See, you avoided the issue by attempting to point the finger at somebody else. Not really honest, is it?

~String

it was just an observation superstring. i didn't realize you were joking in the other thread, but you are gay you know. i know it's off topic but i do consider homo and hetero sexuality to be genderism. :shrug:

while you have made some really good points here in this thread, i do stand by my argument and perception of my ancestors.

 

[superstring01]

it was just an observation superstring. i didn't realize you were joking in the other thread, but you are gay you know. i know it's off topic but i do consider homo and hetero sexuality to be genderism. :shrug:

No. I just like dick and not pussy. That's all. I love women though. I count many of them as my dearest friends (look how SAM and I fight, surely that's a demonstration of our platonic love for eachother), my boss, the best boss I've ever had, is a woman and several of my favorite historical figures are women (name a man who will say that).

while you have made some really good points here in this thread, i do stand by my argument and perception of my ancestors.

Well, that's your right, and at least you're owning up to it and not making excuses based upon flawed logic. You're just stating that you feel that way for no particular reason. I hope you will do a little digging and see how hatred of any race is racism.

~String

 

[S.A.M.]

I count many of them as my dearest friends (look how SAM and I fight, surely that's a demonstration of our platonic love for eachother)
~String

Dammit dn't say stuff like that, I have to keep the angst up for my arguments.