Are scientists fundamentalists? Is scientism like a religion?

DaveC426913 said:
Kind of wish I had known any of this before I opened my big mouth.
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Dave acknowledged this and so did you, both decent Human beings. I think I know you both well enough to say that.
exchemist is a smart guy and noticed a different pattern.
It's fine, there are posters on here, sometimes posters are human, with human stuff going on.
 
exchemist said:
I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. Firstly I can't follow the premise that "the youth" don't separate science from religion. What is it you have mind that shows this?

To the extent that learning about evolution puts young people off religion, that is entirely the fault of those strands of religion that fail to show how it doesn't conflict with religious belief.

I myself once even had to rebuke a Catholic (!) catechist, who seemed stumped when I observed that obviously it is untrue that death literally entered the world with the Original Sin of Adam and Eve. If that were true, all the animals in the past woud be immortal! Not only would we be overrun with dinosaurs, but there would be no fossils and evolution could not function. She had never joined the dots and thought this through. It fell to the priest to agree with me that to make any sense this idea (of St. Paul's, I think?) it has to be seen as spiritual death rather than physical death.

I told her I found it shocking that someone instructing the young in the Catholic faith did not explain how to reconcile it with modern science. I pointed out children learn about dinosaurs and evolution at about the age of 8 these days, so it is not fair to leave them with cognitive dissonance over a thing like this. All that will do is make them suspicious of religious teaching: a major own-goal. She was uncomfortable, but I hope the message got through.:)

As for the question about salvation, I happen to think preoccupation with this is very much a Protestant "hellfire" thing and overdone, but it clearly has nothing to do with one's level of understanding of science.
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I was basically saying that science makes more sense than religion when it comes to science I suppose! I think it is a protestant thing, the catholic church I think accepts evolution and the BB, and practicing catholics follow the church. In my mothers case, she isn't scientific and isn't a wizz at science so she would believe what my brother or I tell her. But like I said believing in evolution and the BB for example does not damn you to hellfire. My personal belief is everyone is meant to be who they are, including scientists to teach.
 
davewhite04 said:
I was basically saying that science makes more sense than religion when it comes to science I suppose! I think it is a protestant thing, the catholic church I think accepts evolution and the BB, and practicing catholics follow the church. In my mothers case, she isn't scientific and isn't a wizz at science so she would believe what my brother or I tell her. But like I said believing in evolution and the BB for example does not damn you to hellfire. My personal belief is everyone is meant to be who they are, including scientists to teach.
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The Big Bang theory was first put forward by a Catholic priest.
 
davewhite04 said:
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Show Me How The Big Bang Theory Is Not A Leap Of Faith

Faith is proof of things not seen; in other words, that which you say/think but not see is what you believe. I want to give you an idea of who I am. I was an evolutionist, but Christ changed me into a Christian. Many scientists believe the beginning of Universe was about 13.8 billion years...
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You've when off on one Pinball. You seem to be a fundie. Have you heard of scientism?
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DaveC426913 You upvoted that comment?
 
davewhite04 said:
The so called scientists on here think science is the only way, which is unintelligent and short sighted, it reeks of fundie behaviour.
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Do you genuinely think that scientists believe science is the "only way" to understand the human condition and all aspects of existence? I haven't met any scientists like that. They may believe a scientific methodology is the only way to understand particular natural phenomena or develop technologies, but I'd bet good money that they all try non-science ways to find existential meaning, understand the human heart, come to grips with mortality, seek a spiritual component to life, find pleasure, etc. If there's a scientist here who thinks science is the sole domain of human knowledge and wisdom, would they please raise their hand?
 
TheVat said:
Do you genuinely think that scientists believe science is the "only way" to understand the human condition and all aspects of existence? I haven't met any scientists like that. They may believe a scientific methodology is the only way to understand particular natural phenomena or develop technologies, but I'd bet good money that they all try non-science ways to find existential meaning, understand the human heart, come to grips with mortality, seek a spiritual component to life, find pleasure, etc. If there's a scientist here who thinks science is the sole domain of human knowledge and wisdom, would they please raise their hand?
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According to some brief research 40-50% of scientists don't believe in God or a 'higher power'. I've met some, one consultant I met was a Hindu coming to Jesus, very spiritual and lovely and brilliant human being, haven't seen him for years. So no I don't believe all scientists have paused their spiritual walk, a large percentage are not spiritual. But most of England isn't either.
 
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