ANZAC day

ScRaMbLe

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On this day 25th april 1915 the Australia and New Zealand Army Corps landed on Gallipoli beach. Based on bad intelligence from the british they landed into an impossible situation. Facing a sheer cliff face and innumerable odds stacked against them they dug in. Machine gun placements littered the cliff face and with the Turks superior defences and steady supply routes, the ANZACs never stood a chance. They knew this but they fought on anyway, they followed their orders to the last man and they held their ground for over 6 months on that beach.

The facts stand for themselves and lay testament to the courage, strength and skill of the ANZAC soldiers.

Australian fatalities - 8000
New Zealand fatalities - 2700
Turkish fatalities - 87,000

On this day all Australia and all New Zealand salute them all.

May the ANZAC spirit live forever.

http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/Gallery/Anzac/galli-poli/index.htm
 
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It's the Australian and New Zealand Army Corps, they fought in WW1 and WW2 and in Vietnam and Korea because you Americans forced us too. It's stupid that you don't know about how much Australia's done. It's compulsory to learn American history in Australian schools but Australian history is optional. Return the favour.
 
Wow, beach party gone wrong! I've read about this...last year...on this forum! I remember! Yeah, the American's pretty much take advantage of the Aussies all the time. It's ridiculous. Demand something cool in return. I'd ask for 1/4 of the moon.


And apologies from all Brits about the lousy intelligence. Guess that was as bad as the 45 minute estimate a year ago...
 
I'm Australian and i'm learning about anzac and it was not the americans who forced us into war infact america wasn't even involved with the war it was the British who wanted us to go to war then later forced us to. So dont blame America they consumed power a few decades after Dickhead.
 
The Dardanelles campaign was planned as a diversion to the Western Front. The idea was to establish a second front there in order to create a supply route to the heavily engaged russians through the Black Sea, to divert German attention from the Western front and force them to reinforce in the Dardanelles, and to enlist the support of wavering neutral Balkan nations to the side of the allies once a third front was established. It was hoped that Greece and Bulgaria in particular would join the Allied side once Constantinople was taken and the Turks routed. Unfortunately, the campaign was almost a total failure - the only real results of it were that the Germans were distracted from a planned offensive in 1915, and it facilitated the British capture of Palestine in 1917 due to weakened Turkish opposition.

It is often forgotten or ignored in Australia and New Zealand that the Dardanelles campaign was primarily a British and French operation. The casualty figures cited by Scramble above are misleading, particularly with regard to the Turks. Those figures of Turkish fatalities were inflicted by the entire allied force, not just the Anzacs. While it is impossible now to establish accurate figures, the most accepted estimates are as follows :

Australia: 18,500 wounded and missing - 7,500 killed.
New Zealand : 5,200 wounded and missing - 2,500 killed.
Britain : 53,000 wounded and missing - 22,000 killed.
France : 23,000 wounded and missing - 27,000 killed.
Turkey : 109,000 wounded and missing - 57,000 killed.
Casualties were also suffered by Indian, Sengalese, Newfoundland and German troops.

As can be seen, by far the greatest involvement in terms of numbers in the Dardanelles campaign was on the part of the British - even the French had larger numbers of troops there than the Anzac forces did. It is a common misconception that the Gallipoli campaign was a purely Anzac affair, when in fact they were a minor force, numerically speaking. Casualty figures from this campaign, particularly from the Allied perspective, are purely estimates - there were no adequate preparations made for the evacuation of wounded and killed, and burials were made at sea from hospital ships. Thus accurate figures are almost impossible to obtain and vary widely among different sources.

The main reason Anzac day is celebrated is that it was the first major operation in which Australian and New Zealand troops were involved. Australia had only been an independant nation for 14 years prior to this campaign, and it is seen as her "baptism of fire" as a new country. We were there in support of, and commanded by, the British. It should also be noted that it was this campaign which caused the Australian government to determine that their forces would never again be commanded by anyone other than Australians, and incidentally led to the sacking of Winston Churchill (among others) from the British goverment after its failure.

It is from this campaign that the legend of the Anzac soldier was born.. tough, resourceful, and courageous under fire. It is also the birthplace of the myth of the British officer being weak, vaccilating, and too willing to sacrifice Commonwealth troops rather than British. This was mostly brought about by Hamilton's overly cautious approach during the initial landings, leading to the Turks occupying vital high ground, and by the suicidal attacks made by the Anzacs (under British orders) on entrenched positions in order to draw Turkish attention away from British reinforcements landing at Suvla Bay - which turned out to be achieved with virtually no opposition. Those images have stayed a part of the legend of the Anzacs since that time.
 
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Arsenal16 said:
I'm Australian and i'm learning about anzac and it was not the americans who forced us into war infact america wasn't even involved with the war it was the British who wanted us to go to war then later forced us to. So dont blame America they consumed power a few decades after Dickhead.
Perhaps you should check again there arsenal16 coz i'm pretty goddamn sure that it was America who decided that only they could save South Korea and free Vietnam from communist slavery.
 
Thor said:
Wow, beach party gone wrong! I've read about this...last year...on this forum! I remember! Yeah, the American's pretty much take advantage of the Aussies all the time. It's ridiculous. Demand something cool in return. I'd ask for 1/4 of the moon.

And apologies from all Brits about the lousy intelligence. Guess that was as bad as the 45 minute estimate a year ago...
Hey look Thor, mate, the aussies live to buttkiss. God bless New Zealand, the motherland. The only country (out of two :D ) who refused to let America blow them up if they thought it was necessary. We salute you.
 
Rainbow ... first, the United States wasn't trying to save South Korea, but rather Korea. Second, it was a U.N. force, with troops from all kindsa countries. Third, if you're going to blame somebody for Vietnam, look towards France, considering the United States went into clean up their mess.
 
in new zealand we stop learning about that stupid stuff in year 6 but my parents make me go to the service
 
Hey, the USA made vietnam worse. the best thing the french could do was get out sensibly, but they stayed to fight, and the USA got in to "help" them and ended up carrying the can.
 
Sure, the USA made Vietnam worse. But, if you're looking for original blame, turn to the Gauls.
 
The Americans abandoned France when they signed peace in Korea while French was still fighting in French Indo-china. I have read that France had actually had opportunities of peace with the viet-minh but turned it down because of their agreement with the US not to pull out while another western power was still fighting over there. Of course, some of this might actually be contributed to French stubborness, as there were also opportunities for peace after Korea which they didn't take.

edit: But that has nothing to do with ANZAC day. I believe the poster who said that Britain had more to do with it than Americans. Remember America wasn't a world power at the time.
 
Arsenal16 said:
I'm Australian and i'm learning about anzac and it was not the americans who forced us into war infact america wasn't even involved with the war it was the British who wanted us to go to war then later forced us to. So dont blame America they consumed power a few decades after Dickhead.

nobobdy forced you to go to war, we brits are glad that you did, but if you say you were forced, then show the proof?
 
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