exchemist
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Nope. Energy is s a property of a physical system, not stuff that can exist on its own.
No system: no energy.
ALMA sees old galaxies before they merged. two ways to look back into the past?
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No system: no energy.
thank you for the , observation. The Gunther K paper showed the "3" time directions as fundamental. So, time as a dimension is eternal and fundamental. Einstein's "spacetime" does not just contain space but also matter clinging to it. Similarly, ENERGYTIME , preceding our universe, can be thought of to have directions to it, and the zero point feature of the last link.
Looking at the model depicted on post 1085: the infinitely old timespace #1 shows in fact to have a faint grid to it. The universe expands in all directions, so the time dimension is not 1 directional but polydimensional.
The term energytime does not preclude agency to exist within it, not anymore than "spacetime" outlaws matter to coexist there . imho.
Looking at the model depicted on post 1085: the infinitely old timespace #1 shows in fact to have a faint grid to it. The universe expands in all directions, so the time dimension is not 1 directional but polydimensional.
The term energytime does not preclude agency to exist within it, not anymore than "spacetime" outlaws matter to coexist there . imho.
exchemist
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Nebel is, or was, just a well-known crank. He chose to draw his diagram in post 1085 on squared paper, that's all.
as it turns out, including the feature in the field of Timespace and Energytime #1 was a prescient move. It was always understood that the infinite resident energy would be channeled to be used in making our universe.
Whether Nebel was "krank" should be left to be decided by doctors and not ex chemists.
Whether Nebel was "krank" should be left to be decided by doctors and not ex chemists.
exchemist
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In English, a crank is a person with an eccentric opinion or obsession, at odds with mainstream opinion. It does not ipso facto signify mental illness or disability.
While it is interesting to see the close relationship of the English and German languages, in your ad hominem - type reply, the fact remains, that for the
Terms Energytime and Timespace it was never claimed total absence of structure or agency. It was left to the imagination or conviction of the beholder to fill in these details .
Possibly, some of all that energy out there, was focused into the BB point of time to be there and then converted into matter, now filling the additional 3 dimensions. Lucky for us.
Terms Energytime and Timespace it was never claimed total absence of structure or agency. It was left to the imagination or conviction of the beholder to fill in these details .
Possibly, some of all that energy out there, was focused into the BB point of time to be there and then converted into matter, now filling the additional 3 dimensions. Lucky for us.
Thinking here of the sphere #3 shown as a ring in this 2-dimensional rendering, so, please in this model, think ofmodel of universe as a sphere expanding into time S E I T
# 1 is timespace of the future that the universe expands into into. aka energytime.
#2 is the past timespace that the membrane sphere #3 has moved through from the BB # 4, an area, volume, that is now void of gravity, other fields and any information.
#3 is the zero thickness membrane that is thought of to contain all matter of the universe. ( zero thickness because it's zero dwell on its movement into the future).
#4 is the point in timespace of the BB big beginning, now empty.
#5 is showing the observer's location (Hubble telescope in this case of deep space viewing)
#6 is the location of the MAC1 oldest, far star seen so far, so far away in time (2/3 to the horizon #9, which is allowing us to see only back to the BB cbmr).
#7 is the exit point in the past, timespace, where the image of the far star that Hubble captured, originated, on the then smaller universe #8.
#8 is the size in time of the universe when the light that Hubble received from MAC1 was emitted.
#9 is our horizon from our current position in the universe, with a radius of ~13 BLYs along the membrane surface. (the rim of the umbrella)
#10 is the possible position of the farthest star, ~ 40 BLYs away, halfway around the universe / membrane sphere. > 2 horizons away.
#11 is a correction point accounting for the curvature of the membranes surface vs circumference. (also for 3/3.14 hex vs circle)
#12 is the position of an astronomer elsewhere in the universe, that also could see that far star, but from the other side.
SEIT about zeit, page (seite)# 36, post # 681
the universe as a rotating ' smoke ring ', a cycloid
with the inner part as stationary, at zero velocity and the outer region speeding forward with all, double the energy into the future #1
Every month this topic has another 1000 views. Is there a way to publish which posts are of that much continued interest? Eternal time vs short time? sending messages into future and receiving them always from the past? Timespace morphing into spacetime? ,Energytime preceding time with matter?
Pinball1970
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Eh?
this thread started out with the question whether the universe might be a giant Einstein Ring, curving back on itself and perhaps showing the same event twice, from opposite directions on the horizon. From there it led, from many contributors , to exposing the existence of uncreated energy, the eternal time to accommodate that, the energytime resting in timespace. fittingly coined with the teutonic tendency of combing words that graced Albert's vocabulary.
Dear exchemist, If energy, as asserted, can really only exist with agency, or as a part of an entity, let the reader exercise that choice.
Here is a situation, where the "System" you mentioned has potential energy in the form of spins that then emerge as matter.
World-first: Scientists observe particles emerging from nothing
The discovery, by scientists at the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider, sheds light on one of physics' key mysteries: the origin of particle mass.
interestingengineering.com
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/04/260411022025.htm
With the universe # 3 expanding into timespace #1 and capturing, absorbing all that Eternal Energy out there, now wonder it is expanding faster than expected.
In the news on Physorg and others. "Time has three dimensions" and our universe moves to all three of them as predicted here on this thread. : in the
Timespace#1 the model universe # 3 is moving through time in the radius and the 2 directions on it's "surface"
Alternative theory validated by fulfilled prediction Timespace is multidimensional
Timespace#1 the model universe # 3 is moving through time in the radius and the 2 directions on it's "surface"
Alternative theory validated by fulfilled prediction Timespace is multidimensional
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Pinball1970
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Energy is not a substance, this been explained to you. Also "time space" and "energy time" are not things in physics/science.
Did I miss something? the article cited was about "time has 3 dimensions" Where does energy come in?
In the present alternative theory, , energy is not only a "thing" it is the only thing. just in different forms, even as 'matter' in our spacetime universe.
In the pre/outside -universe period is thought to be timespace as opposed to spacetime and
'Time', in the cited article is shown to be not an uni-directional one way street, but --- just like in this theory- to be a unique multi dimensional "timespace". Perhaps surprises await us when we get further understandings of time. as to
energytime -- the designation is used as opposed to our current 'matter in spacetime' (as in 'tea time' ).
As discussed in earlier posts, the newly coined term " Energytime" does not imply total absence of agency or carrier for the pre-universe period. (remember the grid)
Alternative theories using alternative terms. clearly a time-honored practical practice
In the present alternative theory, , energy is not only a "thing" it is the only thing. just in different forms, even as 'matter' in our spacetime universe.
In the pre/outside -universe period is thought to be timespace as opposed to spacetime and
'Time', in the cited article is shown to be not an uni-directional one way street, but --- just like in this theory- to be a unique multi dimensional "timespace". Perhaps surprises await us when we get further understandings of time. as to
energytime -- the designation is used as opposed to our current 'matter in spacetime' (as in 'tea time' ).
As discussed in earlier posts, the newly coined term " Energytime" does not imply total absence of agency or carrier for the pre-universe period. (remember the grid)
Alternative theories using alternative terms. clearly a time-honored practical practice
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Pinball1970
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The article is about the Hubble tension and measurements of elements of the cosmic distance ladder.
thank you, perhaps we are not talking about the same article here is phisorg:
phys.org › news › 2025-06-theory-dimensions-spaceNew theory proposes time has three dimensions, with space as ...
Jun 21, 2025 · Time, not space plus time, might be the single fundamental property in which all physical phenomena occur, according to a new theory by a University of Alaska Fairbanks scientist.
Pinball1970
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Ok I'll have a look.
exchemist
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I wouldn't waste too much time on this. He's posted about this before in this thread. See my post 1124 last November.
Kletetschka is a geophysicist! There is no reason to think he is an authority on speculative cosmological physics, and in fact there is a very unusual editorial disclaimer from Phys Org, washing their hands of it and warning readers in effect that it is quite likely to be ballocks.
