ALMA sees old galaxies before they merged. two ways to look back into the past?

[exchemist]

right, that why this is under Alternative Theories. Right, there was no no thing, aka "nothing" before, and is now outside our universe, but there must have been energy during energytime occupying timespace. ( the precursor of Albert's "spacetime"

Nope. Energy is s a property of a physical system, not stuff that can exist on its own.

No system: no energy.

 

[beil]

thank you for the , observation. The Gunther K paper showed the "3" time directions as fundamental. So, time as a dimension is eternal and fundamental. Einstein's "spacetime" does not just contain space but also matter clinging to it. Similarly, ENERGYTIME , preceding our universe, can be thought of to have directions to it, and the zero point feature of the last link.
Looking at the model depicted on post 1085: the infinitely old timespace #1 shows in fact to have a faint grid to it. The universe expands in all directions, so the time dimension is not 1 directional but polydimensional.
The term energytime does not preclude agency to exist within it, not anymore than "spacetime" outlaws matter to coexist there . imho.

 

[exchemist]

thank you for the , observation. The Gunther K paper showed the "3" time directions as fundamental. So, time as a dimension is eternal and fundamental. Einstein's "spacetime" does not just contain space but also matter clinging to it. Similarly, ENERGYTIME , preceding our universe, can be thought of to have directions to it, and the zero point feature of the last link.
Looking at the model depicted on post 1085: the infinitely old timespace #1 shows in fact to have a faint grid to it. The universe expands in all directions, so the time dimension is not 1 directional but polydimensional.
The term energytime does not preclude agency to exist within it, not anymore than "spacetime" outlaws matter to coexist there . imho.

Nebel is, or was, just a well-known crank. He chose to draw his diagram in post 1085 on squared paper, that's all.

 

[beil]

as it turns out, including the feature in the field of Timespace and Energytime #1 was a prescient move. It was always understood that the infinite resident energy would be channeled to be used in making our universe.
Whether Nebel was "krank" should be left to be decided by doctors and not ex chemists.

 

[exchemist]

as it turns out, including the feature in the field of Timespace and Energytime #1 was a prescient move. It was always understood that the infinite resident energy would be channeled to be used in making our universe.
Whether Nebel was "krank" should be left to be decided by doctors and not ex chemists.

In English, a crank is a person with an eccentric opinion or obsession, at odds with mainstream opinion. It does not ipso facto signify mental illness or disability.

 

[beil]

While it is interesting to see the close relationship of the English and German languages, in your ad hominem - type reply, the fact remains, that for the

Terms Energytime and Timespace it was never claimed total absence of structure or agency. It was left to the imagination or conviction of the beholder to fill in these details .
Possibly, some of all that energy out there, was focused into the BB point of time to be there and then converted into matter, now filling the additional 3 dimensions. Lucky for us.

 

[beil]

model of universe as a sphere expanding into time S E I T

# 1 is timespace of the future that the universe expands into into. aka energytime.
#2 is the past timespace that the membrane sphere #3 has moved through from the BB # 4, an area, volume, that is now void of gravity, other fields and any information.
#3 is the zero thickness membrane that is thought of to contain all matter of the universe. ( zero thickness because it's zero dwell on its movement into the future).
#4 is the point in timespace of the BB big beginning, now empty.
#5 is showing the observer's location (Hubble telescope in this case of deep space viewing)
#6 is the location of the MAC1 oldest, far star seen so far, so far away in time (2/3 to the horizon #9, which is allowing us to see only back to the BB cbmr).
#7 is the exit point in the past, timespace, where the image of the far star that Hubble captured, originated, on the then smaller universe #8.
#8 is the size in time of the universe when the light that Hubble received from MAC1 was emitted.
#9 is our horizon from our current position in the universe, with a radius of ~13 BLYs along the membrane surface. (the rim of the umbrella)
#10 is the possible position of the farthest star, ~ 40 BLYs away, halfway around the universe / membrane sphere. > 2 horizons away.
#11 is a correction point accounting for the curvature of the membranes surface vs circumference. (also for 3/3.14 hex vs circle)
#12 is the position of an astronomer elsewhere in the universe, that also could see that far star, but from the other side.
SEIT about zeit, page (seite)# 36, post # 681

Thinking here of the sphere #3 shown as a ring in this 2-dimensional rendering, so, please in this model, think of
the universe as a rotating ' smoke ring ', a cycloid
with the inner part as stationary, at zero velocity and the outer region speeding forward with all, double the energy into the future #1