All drugs should be legal for over 18s

Wizard of Whatever said:
You need air, food, liquids and medicines to exist on this plane. Why not realize that some folks have a need for illegal drugs, from psychoactive to pain killers and can in no way get them legally.
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Illegal status does not stop the "needy" from still getting such. At best, it only obstructs a pandemic of drug addiction, of stifling the recruiting of the vast majority of youth and adults into self-treating themselves for depression, trauma, social insecurity, and other psychological matters. The current situation is the best of both worlds. Granted, Mao Zedong may have had astounding success with his method of eliminating pushers and addicts, but even China eventually gave up on the overall results of the most ideal attempts to institute the "dictatorship of the proletariat".
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C C said:
Illegal status does not stop the "needy" from still getting such. At best, it only obstructs a pandemic of drug addiction, of stifling the recruiting of the vast majority of youth and adults into self-treating themselves for depression, trauma, and other psychological matters. The current situation is the best of both worlds. Granted, Mao Zedong may have had astounding success with his method of eliminating pushers and addicts, but even China eventually gave up on the overall results of the most ideal attempts to institute the "dictatorship of the proletariat".
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It does obstruct, by obstructing ease of availability and price and subjecting one to an often violent criminal element. Who do all you supposed supporters of democracy think you are telling everyone how to live. You are nothing but totalitarian fascists.
You support women with their body their choice, so how about our body, our choice.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
It does obstruct, by obstructing ease of availability and price.. Who do all you supposed supporters of democracy think you are telling everyone how to live. You are nothing but totalitarian fascists.
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Confused thinking: democracy means that you vote for the party who you align with, who generally does the things you want/like. So, having a party that criminalises certain drugs is because most people want them that way. That is not "totalitarian fascism" but democracy at work. If you want to decriminalise everything, vote for a party that wants to do that. Or try and secure enough votes in the legislature for such a move.
Until then, stop your pathetic whining and your juvenile tantrums.
What's the problem: having difficulty scoring your next fix?
Wizard of Whatever said:
You support women with their body their choice, so how about our body, our choice.
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False equivalence. One is about bodily autonomy, drug control is more about the harm it does to others, not necessarily the individual (i.e. increased crime, healthcare burden, neglect of dependents, public safety etc).

Now, please, stop whining.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
It does obstruct, by obstructing ease of availability and price and subjecting one to an often violent criminal element. [...]
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Potentially rubbing shoulders with seedy elements might not be ideal, but do you really want a Golden Corral buffet? A government that grants you OTC access to fentanyl is a regime that eventually wants to get into the business itself. Via monopolizing the racket and confining you to its own recreational drugs -- Brave New World version -- to maintain the population as placated cattle that are too high to grumble.

Vaguely akin how even the lagging establishments (to digital ID) will ultimately ensure that their poor (and conscientious objectors) have smartphones and mobile service, so there are no exceptions to institution of universal monitoring of citizen transactions and movement (if not by welfare hand-out, then by heavy-handed legislation and penalty itself).

Bottom line, again, is that the needy do find a way to get their junk. There are over a hundred thousand drug-related deaths a year in the US. There are cocaine addicted anesthesiologists (local revelation) and other professionals having weekly parties that replace appetizers with "special snacks" for the guests from their neighborhood. Discarded nitrous oxide containers litter beaches in the thousands after the various type festivals taking place there. There are programs offering free needles and crack pipes to members of homeless camps. The only people being oppressed by the illegal status of _X_ are those too timid to seek such ardently in the first place, because they apparently haven't truly acquired sufficient dependency on _X_. Once they fully receive the holy call, they accrue the talent to break the law.
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C C said:
Potentially rubbing shoulders with seedy elements might not be ideal, but do you really want a Golden Corral buffet? A government that grants you OTC access to fentanyl is a regime that eventually wants to get into the business itself. Via monopolizing the racket and confining you to its own recreational drugs -- Brave New World version -- to maintain the population as placated cattle that are too high to grumble.
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Even worse, OTC access to carfentanyl. 20 to 100 times more potent than fentanyl, carfentanyl has real potential as a chemical WMD. One could take out a massive skyscraper by dumping a small amount of that into the air filtration system.
 
C C said:
There are over a hundred thousand drug-related deaths a year in the US.
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But according to Pam Bondi, Trump prevented 300 million overdose deaths by sinking a fishing boat or something. So we should be all clear on accidental OD deaths for at least a decade or so, I figure.
 
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parmalee said:
But according to Pam Bondi, Trump prevented 300 million overdose deaths by sinking a fishing boat or something. So we should be all clear on accidental OD deaths for at least a decade or so, I figure.
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Yah, something something, anyway ("noise and virtue signaling, betokening nothing"). Unfortunately, politics is whatever tactics lead to success or winning (street fighting?) rather than an umpired classroom with regulations. Though that arguably mimicks the messiness of the biological realm or evolution. Cheat, steal, deceive, devour, coerce, cooperate, sympathize, give, love, posture -- whatever works for you little replicating entities that I (the cosmos) have complete indifference toward.
  • Steven Crane: A man said to the Universe, "Sir, I exist!".

    "However," replied the Universe, "The fact has not aroused in me a sense of obligation".
 
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Potentially rubbing shoulders with seedy elements might not be ideal, but do you really want a Golden Corral buffet? A government that grants you OTC access to fentanyl is a regime that eventually wants to get into the business itself
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What I want is freedom of choice. Nothing more, nothing less.

Like I said, no one knows the effect of total legalization since it's never beeb tried.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
What I want is freedom of choice. Nothing more, nothing less.

Like I said, no one knows the effect of total legalization since it's never beeb tried.
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Alcohol is legal.

Tobacco products are legal.

Cannabis is legal in in 40 of 50 states for medical use and 24 states for recreational use.

Massive opioid availability was facilitated by doctors and pharma from 1999 to 2021, via over-prescription. Resulting in circa 645,000 Americans who died from it.

Psilocybin mushrooms are approved in certain contexts in Colorado, New Mexico, and Oregon.

Some states have exemptions for religious use of peyote.

What particular type of substance abuse outside the list are you seeking more freedom for, that could be accommodated via either direct legalization or incompetent medical practices and guidelines?
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C C said:
What particular type of substance abuse outside the list are you seeking more freedom for, that could be accommodated via either direct legalization or incompetent medical practices and guidelines?
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Total freedom from government control over what substances I can put in my body. My actions afterward can be subject to minimal rational control.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
Total freedom from government control over what substances I can put in my body. My actions afterward can be subject to minimal rational control.
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The government has currently very little control over what substances you put in your body. If they did there would t be so many addicts and illegal-drug-takers in the US. You are free to try to buy any drug you want, and will likely get away with it. So, sure, there's some risk that you might get caught trying to buy, but it's not huge. The illegality they're usually after is the supply, not the small-fry users.

But that's not what is stopping you from doing so, is it. It's not that they're illegal, it's the fact that you don't actually want to shoot your veins full of heroin, or take fentanyl, or any other of the highly addictive and highly dangerous drugs out there. if you really wanted to, you would.

One benefit, as well, is that if you really did want to, you wouldn't be cluttering up this site with your inane bollox. You'd likely be face down in a pool of your own vomit, or out trying to score your next high. But, well, here you are, whining that you can't get drugs. :rolleyes:
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
I see you are copying the Billvon twist.
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It's the greatest dance craze since Chubby Checker.

And you still danced away from answering what should be a simple question: why is it okay for corporations to restrict people's freedoms but not for governments? Concerning hard drugs, both have the same reasons of public safety. United Airlines doesn't want its planes to crash. The federal government wants the same thing, representing the vast majority of citizens who also want planes not to crash. But you're only okay with it if United forbids the drugs. Huh.
 
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