Wizard of Whatever
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You need air, food, liquids and medicines to exist on this plane. Why not realize that some folks have a need for illegal drugs, from psychoactive to pain killers and can in no way get them legally.
All drugs should be legal for over 18s
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Wizard of Whatever
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I am for the absolute legalization of all legal and illegal drugs, including alcohol and tobacco, for over the counter sale to anyone over 18, except anti-biotics.
Which illegal drugs do some folks need, and why do they need them? Please give us a few examples.
You mentioned certain types of painkillers. Are there no legal alternatives?
Why are you against over-the-counter sales of anti-biotics?
Why do you support the legalisation of metamphetamine (ice)?
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Roosters for ever
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No, illegal drugs should remain illegal unless prescribed. Some people also have a need for speed on our roads, but we have laws. Some people have a need to obtain goods by illegal means, (robbery/burglary, but again, we have laws against it. Are you a druggie? Just asking. If you are, then please seek treatment.
Thankfully, for everyone else in your society, you are not determining the laws, although I do agree that antibiotics should be controlled (to limit antibiotic resistance in the diseases they help treat).
Maybe you're thinking more of the drugs like marijuana, that are pretty harmless in the grand scheme, and do have medicinal value - although still not a "need". But not every drug is so benign. Frankly, if you're not just trolling, do you really not understand the arguments for controlling certain drugs? I mean, you've said that you think they should be legalised, but you haven't shown that you understand why they are controlled at the moment. Please show us that you do understand the arguments for controlling such drugs, and which part of the reasoning you disagree with.
Thanks.
Pinball1970
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Amphetamine, Ketamine, heroin, cocaine, LSD, cannabis, morphine, MDMA are dangerous drugs.
Damaging to the body and mind, they are also damaging to society.
Some are used in medicine.
On an individual level these drugs can be thought of as personal choice and as harmful say as drinking.
The problem is people are not very intelligent, thoughtful and get information from poor sources.
Kids are stupid and do stupid stuff, so for me right now, coming from a city, making drugs legal would be a bad move.
Damaging to the body and mind, they are also damaging to society.
Some are used in medicine.
On an individual level these drugs can be thought of as personal choice and as harmful say as drinking.
The problem is people are not very intelligent, thoughtful and get information from poor sources.
Kids are stupid and do stupid stuff, so for me right now, coming from a city, making drugs legal would be a bad move.
I am generally for the legalization of less damaging drugs (like pot.)
It is, however, odd to support the legalization of drugs like fentanyl that kill 75,000 people a year, while keeping antibiotics (that save ~350,000 a year in the US) under tighter control.
Roosters for ever
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While that maybe true, (being less damaging) In some alcohol/drug breathalizer tests in Sydney, it has been found that driving can still be affected, (by signs of the drug in your system) after 2 days. And while it has been said that even a much respected science person dabbled in pot, (Carl Sagan) I am still of the opinion that the legitimicy of alcohol and tobacco is sufficient in our society. Why add more? medically prescribed, yes 100% OK. *shrug* but that's just me. And no, I have never taken it or ever had cause to take it.
Pinball1970
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What about CIP?
Pinball1970
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It would be an idea to get data on where that has been tried.
Seattle
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I live in one place.
Wizard of Whatever
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Opiates for pain, when doctors refuse to give them. Psycho-actives for certain conditions and blockages, and for spiritual evolution.
Not without a doctors prescription. A lot of doctors will refuse to give them. And why should one have to pay a doctor for his pain relief.
Anti-biotic resistance. Antibiotics should only be obtained with a blood test for need.
Because it is none of anybodies business what substances adults choose to use for themselves, the one exception antibiotics
Pinball1970
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Agree, mainly. Antibiotics should be prescribed by a Dr.
Drug addiction affects more than the addict.
Wizard of Whatever
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Blood test is important. Doctor isn't.
It wouldn't as much if drugs were legal and thus less expensive. If you would care about the potential addict you would help him like alcoholics are helped. If not, you would leave them to their fate. Anything else is a restriction of personal freedom.
Pinball1970
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Drs don't have that luxury. You have someone with serious infection you make a best guess because time is an issue. Broad spectrum was the approach in the 70s and 80s.
I am not a Dr but that may be an approach because people can die of infection quickly if severe.
Pinball1970
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Heroin addicts are not reasonable citizens, meth addicts are not reasonable citizens. They contribute to a large part of the resource of school, social services, the police, the NHS/ first responders.
Of course it's just not their choice, are you fucking stupid or something?
Roosters for ever
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We have many aspects of the restriction of personal freedom in our society. We need them because we have many amongst us that would cause serious injury and danger to others. If you want no restrictions on your so called personal freedom then you should go to some uninhabited Island where you can practice your "freedom" without restrictions. Good luck with that.