And it's still dishonest. Look, Kellyanne - I'm not going to wear down. You lie, I label. So either you think in reality pilots and doctors don't harass and grope, or you are trying to "reframe" again. You presented the thought, not me. I just pointed at it. Yep. Hence the demonstrated point - you had to provide specifics, circumstances, to make the assessment. Circumstances alter cases. That's how it works, in the real world. If you have to project your "zero tolerance" nonsense unto me to recognize its absurdity and cartoonish unreality, so be it - but don't forget to bring the lesson home. !? Damn, you and Kellyanne Conway need to sit down and trade tips. No, that was clearly not an attempt of mine. Not even remotely. I have been taking Franken's importance for granted, something that needs no demonstrating, all along - including granted by you. Position of power, sending messages, and all that - you remember posting such things? The precipitate, irresponsible, Franken-booters have an interest in changing tack, diminishing Franken's importance and the significance of his Senate role now that he's gone, lest the suddenly visible and incoming consequences of booting him in that careless and ill-considered manner prove unpopular. But to suggest that someone would be "implying", by hidden stratagem of some kind, otherwise unacknowledged and controversial importance to Franken's role and influence and status - that's sophisticated. That's pro, Kellyanne quality, bs. ? You are contradicting yourself. Do you even know that? Ignoring everything except the "credibility" of the allegations is exactly not "it". Your description demonstrates, again, the obvious - that "it" did not happen with Franken. That is, as you just agreed: They ignored the circumstances, and demanded resignation immediately regardless of actual behavior or predictable consequences - neither of which they considered. They acted according to short term political concerns, matters of image and "sending messages" (as in the bulk of your posting) - classic political expediency, if you care - and now they will be dealing with the consequences of their irresponsibility: the actual messages they sent, the actual political results in Congress, the verdicts that will come in over the next few months via sober evaluations of their decision-making that do account for the matters they dismissed from consideration, their motives, and their demonstrated political character. Here's the first move: http://www.startribune.com/republican-senator-to-become-minnesota-s-lieutenant-governor/463950133/ I like the try at monkey wrenching the State Reps, and although the wimpy Lt Governor is unlikely to rise to Franken's standards as Senator but may choose to run from their vantage as an incumbent anyway, that election day risk probably cannot be avoided without pranging the Governor's race. Dayton has been a decent Governor, and this may be his best go in a bad spot - grade: so far so good.