Are you now arguing I did not say "neither"? Because really, this is silly. And boring. I answered your question. I said "neither". Demanding I keep answering something I already answered.. Because that is what you are doing? You actually haven't said anything of note about the subject of this thread in yonks. You are essentially trying to throw your weight around and getting shitty when I mock your pathetic examples that have no bearing at all with the subject of this thread and which exists in some bizarre fantasy land in your mind, so much so that you berate me for getting something you never actually defined, wrong. Why did you cut out the rest of what I said in that statement? Why did you ignore and disregard my saying that regardless of where it happened, he'd still be fired? And you accuse others of dishonesty? Riiggghhttt... How much lower are you willing to go to defend a serial groper of women because he's a Democrat? And as I have repeatedly said, even if your frankly stupid example was taken at face value, they'd still be fired. And I explained why. Circumstances do matter. And groping women without their consent is a big arsed circumstance that does matter. Are you going to attempt to argue that there are certain circumstances around Al Franken groping women on their backsides, boob, trying to force his tongue down the throat of one victim, trying to kiss at least one other without their consent that would or should somehow make what he did somehow acceptable? If Franken did not want to damage the party he represents, he should not have groped women and sexually harassed them. Yes, it's on him and entirely him. Attempting to pass the blame onto others, such as the media, for outing him and damaging the party and demanding that circumstances matter.. No, really, how ridiculously pathetic can you get? Arguing that 'oohh there are circumstances' and how they should be taken into consideration in Franken's case, so as to not cause damage to the party.. Really, you are demanding a different set of rules of actual decency because it's a Democrat and Franken. You don't get to complain about the Republicans applying those standards to their candidates who sexually assault and sexually harass anymore. Because you are adopting the exact same standard as they do for the 'party that is not your party'.