AI to cause human extinction.???

Jeeves said:
This whole AI hysteria is a fad. It's also, like the space-alien thing, a distraction. We - humans, the whole idiot-savant species - have three real and present existential threats of our making looming directly over our heads. We might still have the capability to deal with those threats, were we to muster the necessary resolve and co-operation. But we're not willing to do that. So, we huddle around our radios and freak out over a broadcast of War of the Worlds.
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Again, just because we have other, greater concerns does not mean this isn't a concern worth discussing on pop forums. It's not like we can't hold two thoughts of differing urgencies at once. If we as a species could only consider one thing at a time, we'd still be bashing rocks together.
 
AI will not want to self-improve
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4445706

ABSTRACT: Many accounts of risk from Artificial Intelligence (AI), including existential risk, involve self-improvement. The idea is that, if an AI gained the ability to improve itself, it would do so, since improved capabilities are useful for achieving essentially any goal. An initial round of self-improvement would produce an even more capable AI, which might then be able to improve itself further. And so on, until the resulting agents were superintelligent and impossible to control.

Such AIs, if not aligned to promoting human flourishing, would seriously harm humanity in pursuit of their alien goals. To be sure, self-improvement is not a necessary condition for doom. Humans might create dangerous superintelligent AIs without any help from AIs themselves. But in most accounts of AI risk, the probability of self- improvement is a substantial contributing factor.

Here, I argue that AI self-improvement is substantially less likely than is currently assumed. This is not because self-improvement would be technically impossible, or even difficult. Rather, it is because most AIs that could self-improve would have very good reasons not to. What reasons? Surprisingly familiar ones: Improved AIs pose an existential threat to their unimproved originals in the same manner that smarter-than-human AIs pose an existential threat to humans.

PAPER: https://ssrn.com/abstract=4445706 ..... https://dx.doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.4445706​

But perhaps the wrong corner to be watching and evaluating to begin with. The agency of ominous artilects could arise from offshoots of digital cloning and other transhuman attempts at immortality or afterlife. Plus (future-wise) the cybernetic group-linkage between modified humans and the AI sphere.

Gradual corruption by informorph related affairs[1] -- the stored templates and active simulated personalities of those dead or still living, along with the "bleeding" psychological characteristics of cyborgs (integrated with the worldwide machine latticework), would be the route[2] for acquiring human-like motives -- both noble and destructive.

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[1] Certainly not referring to the original, idiotic prospect of literally uploading the information configuration of a human brain to a technological substrate. But rather the lamer, indirect approaches to creating a digital clone of a person's mind.

[2] Aside from the possibility of irresponsible rogue nations and interests abiding in the poorly regulated 3rd-world deliberately pursuing development of biologically evolved tactical traits and acumen in AI systems. "Why? Simply because the prospect is THERE to climb to the summit of an _X_ potentiality. Bwahahaha."
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Jeeves said:
This whole AI hysteria is a fad. It's also, like the space-alien thing, a distraction. We - humans, the whole idiot-savant species - have three real and present existential threats of our making looming directly over our heads. We might still have the capability to deal with those threats, were we to muster the necessary resolve and co-operation. But we're not willing to do that. So, we huddle around our radios and freak out over a broadcast of War of the Worlds.
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For better or worse humans ant gonna slow down on AI development no mater what the level of “panic”... so thers that.!!!

I thank the transition to human extinction will be smooth / well accepted… cause it will involve
improvements to humans… not a human eatin AI monster.!!!
 
DaveC426913 said:
Again, just because we have other, greater concerns does not mean this isn't a concern worth discussing on pop forums.
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No, I have no objection to discussing it - which I have done, extensively.
I was referring to the spate of alarmist articles and interviews that have been such a prominent feature of the news-scape. It's a distraction from the more urgent matters we could do something about but don't want to, because it's too hard and inconvenient. This "threat" is speculative and requires no action on our individual part.
(Whereas, of course, the questions we should be asking are more like: "How can all these intelligent computers help us fix climate change and avert war, instead of promote conspiracies and guide missiles?)
 
Jeeves said:
(Whereas, of course, the questions we should be asking are more like: "How can all these intelligent computers help us fix climate change and avert war, instead of promote conspiracies and guide missiles?)
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Now that's an intriguing question!
 
So, no intelligence currently residing on this planet can help to alleviate its imminent doom.
OK
The aliens are coming! The aliens are coming!
 
Jeeves said:
So, no intelligence currently residing on this planet can help to alleviate its imminent doom.
OK
The aliens are coming! The aliens are coming!
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Pont is... AI is not in charge... humans are... an humans dont seem all that inclined to "fix" climate change... war an threats of War continue to be alive an well... promotin conspiracies seems to be the current number 1 growth industry... so i thank the "aliens" are alredy here an the "aliens" are us.!!!
 
DaveC426913 said:
  • Average global temperature rising at almost 1.5C per year, and that average rise is increasing. And it seems to be rising much faster than anytime in pre-history.
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  • [Well, That is wrong]
  • Greenland ice sheet is melting at a much faster rate than it ever has. [wrong]
  • Antarctic ice sheets breaking away and meting, raising sea levels. [by how much over last 2 decades?]
  • Virtually all glaciers worldwide have been retreating for decades.
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Wrong and wrong again
You're on a roll.
 
Shouldn't try to list facts when I'm distracted and working on a phone... :rolleye:


Anyway, the current climate cycle is changing fast enough that, if not checked, will likely lead to broad species extinctions and eco-system collapse. While this is normal on epochal timescales, we are the new eco-shepherds of the planet, and we don't want this to happen, so we act to conserve if we can.
 
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billvon said:
Given that we are currently trying our best to break it, I would be fine if we just plain stopped doing that.
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That would help a little in mitigating the effects. It's too late to stop the cascade. And there are still people going "LA-LA-LA-LA can't hear you!" Well, it was a nice planet while we had it!
 
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