ADD/ADHD is a fraud

[lucifers angel]

I've never heard of eyasym. Doc told me that if Daytrana didn't work, that she would have to try Concerta, full blown Ritalin, and if that didn't work Adderall. Luckily the middle dose patch of Daytrana seemed to do the trick for me.


What does your son really enjoy doing?
The reason I ask this is because you probably know that if an ADHD patient isn't interested in something (i.e. classes, chores, etc.) that they will put it off indefinitely and subconsciously refuse to focus on it. BUT, if they are interested in something, they tend to hyperfocus on it and can get really good at it. I'd try to give him as many opportunities to do the things he enjoys as possible. If he has something he can focus on that he enjoys and look forward too, it tends to spill over into other aspects of his life.
Mountain biking does that for me. I tend to get a bit unfocused and irritable when I don't get to go biking as often as I need to.



Well, I can say that substandard parenting can make it worse. I think my mom didn't notice my ADHD when I was a kid because she was too busy with her boyfriend of the week.
That combined with not having a stable, consistent father figure really made things very tough for me. It's kinda hard to fight/treat something when you don't know you have it. When I found out I had ADHD, so many things in my life that happened became very clear. Unfortunately, this also cause my respect for my mom to plummet, and to this day, that's still under repair.

hast becasue your mum didnt notice the condition, not because she was a bad perent, (not saying she was a good mother mind) its just that people are to fast to say its bad mothers, its bad diet, its bad schooling!¬

 

[phlogistician]

MYTH: ADHD is a “sign of the times”, an American fad or the product of poor parenting/environment. It doesn’t exist.

Then where did it come from, so suddenly? Humans haven't evolved to be prone to a new pathogen, have we? It's environmental, not infectious.

ADHD is an internationally-recognised, complex neurobiological disorder, affecting up to 5% UK schoolchildren. Research shows that people with ADHD have a few structures within the brain that are smaller and that their neurotransmitters – the chemical messengers in the brain – do not work properly.

The symptom, not the cause. The cause is over stimulation while young, too much TV, too many preservatives in food, because kids eat too much pre-prepared food, with dubiously obtained protein (which can pass through into the childs bloodstream and affect brain chemistry)


It's quite simple, thanks to the yuppie 80's and the culture of consumerism, we work more, both parents, and that means kids have been left to surrogate parents, the TV. Parents are too busy to cook, so slap pre-prepared meals in the microwave, so kids eat fewer fresh meals than kids of my generation (my mum was a housewife). Kids have computer equipment targetted at them, and colour TV programs, and TV is on 24/7, when in my day, there was no breakfast TV, and it switched off at Midnight.

ADHD/ADD isn't a disease, it's a product of modern living. The answer is simple, go back to treating kids like we did before the 80's and everything will be fine, no drugs required.

 

[lucifers angel]

Then where did it come from, so suddenly? Humans haven't evolved to be prone to a new pathogen, have we? It's environmental, not infectious.



The symptom, not the cause. The cause is over stimulation while young, too much TV, too many preservatives in food, because kids eat too much pre-prepared food, with dubiously obtained protein (which can pass through into the childs bloodstream and affect brain chemistry)


It's quite simple, thanks to the yuppie 80's and the culture of consumerism, we work more, both parents, and that means kids have been left to surrogate parents, the TV. Parents are too busy to cook, so slap pre-prepared meals in the microwave, so kids eat fewer fresh meals than kids of my generation (my mum was a housewife). Kids have computer equipment targetted at them, and colour TV programs, and TV is on 24/7, when in my day, there was no breakfast TV, and it switched off at Midnight.

ADHD/ADD isn't a disease, it's a product of modern living. The answer is simple, go back to treating kids like we did before the 80's and everything will be fine, no drugs required.

i'm not saying my kids are perfect far from it, but.....i do not let them eat junk food, i prepare all my own food, and never buy pre made meals, and they dont watch a lot of TV.

ok for you tosay In my day there was no breakfast tv and tv turned of at midnight, but what about the adults now who are being diagnosed with the condition? who were alive and may be ahs old has you?

 

[mikenostic]

hast becasue your mum didnt notice the condition, not because she was a bad perent, (not saying she was a good mother mind) its just that people are to fast to say its bad mothers, its bad diet, its bad schooling!¬

My aunt Karen, her sister, noticed that I was a bit more hyperactive than normal. Believe me, there was some substandard parenting going on there. I've known my mom for 35 years. I have seen much worse parenting than my mom's, but hers was by no means stellar.
And you say it's because she didn't notice the condition. Luci, shouldn't that be a red flag to begin with? Shouldn't parents know their kids well enough to detect something like that? Like I said, she was too busy with her b/f of the week (and I have a problem with that) to notice.

 

[lucifers angel]

My aunt Karen, her sister, noticed that I was a bit more hyperactive than normal. Believe me, there was some substandard parenting going on there. I've known my mom for 35 years. I have seen much worse parenting than my mom's, but hers was by no means stellar.
And you say it's because she didn't notice the condition. Luci, shouldn't that be a red flag to begin with? Shouldn't parents know their kids well enough to detect something like that? Like I said, she was too busy with her b/f of the week (and I have a problem with that) to notice.

yeah your right, perhaps she shouldve noticed. but sometimes we can't see things taht are right infront of us.

what reallyu upsets is when these people say its bad mothers/dads, they say that becasue they dont want to see the truth about the conditions, and they are affraid to open they're eyes!

 

[phlogistician]

ok for you tosay In my day there was no breakfast tv and tv turned of at midnight, but what about the adults now who are being diagnosed with the condition? who were alive and may be ahs old has you?

I don't believe adults suddenly develop it. I think ADD/ADHD is all a load of bullshit in kids, let alone adults.

 

[mikenostic]

I don't believe adults suddenly develop it. I think ADD/ADHD is all a load of bullshit in kids, let alone adults.

You're right. All this shit that I have to deal with is just in my head. It's not real.

what reallyu upsets is when these people say its bad mothers/dads, they say that becasue they dont want to see the truth about the conditions, and they are affraid to open they're eyes!

I can't blame my mom for my condition. But I can blame her for not getting me help when I was younger. It's easier to deal with know that I know what I'm dealing with.

 

[phlogistician]

You're right. All this shit that I have to deal with is just in my head. It's not real. .

It's not a disease, there is no pathogen, nor genetic deficiency. It is caused by modern lifestyle, but yes, it is all in your head, well, neural pathways. It can be cured simply, by not over stimulating children. People say 'my kids don't want too much TV', when the recommendations are that children under three years old, should watch it very sparingly, as little an hour a day, if at all.

Doping kids is not the answer, reverting to previous ways of raising kids is.

 

[lucifers angel]

It's not a disease, there is no pathogen, nor genetic deficiency. It is caused by modern lifestyle, but yes, it is all in your head, well, neural pathways. It can be cured simply, by not over stimulating children. People say 'my kids don't want too much TV', when the recommendations are that children under three years old, should watch it very sparingly, as little an hour a day, if at all.

Doping kids is not the answer, reverting to previous ways of raising kids is.

its people ike you, who hinder children like mine getting the help and support they need, if everyone jumped on the anti ADHD bandwagon then these kids would simply just turn to nothing.

so what then do you think, bad perenting? i am not a perfect mum who is but i am not bad! and surely you dont think that these kids are just naughty people, so we just chuck tablets into them to make our lives easier?

 

[lucifers angel]

I don't believe adults suddenly develop it. I think ADD/ADHD is all a load of bullshit in kids, let alone adults.

ok coming from a person who can sit still, do welll at studies, watch tv, read a book, go out with friends and not have the police bring them home!

and trust me, when you throw a fit and chuck someone upstairs then you get help with ADHD, thats when your grateful for the help!

 

[mikenostic]

It's not a disease, there is no pathogen, nor genetic deficiency. It is caused by modern lifestyle, but yes, it is all in your head, well, neural pathways. It can be cured simply, by not over stimulating children. People say 'my kids don't want too much TV', when the recommendations are that children under three years old, should watch it very sparingly, as little an hour a day, if at all.

Doping kids is not the answer, reverting to previous ways of raising kids is.

I was actually talking about adults. I did not know that I had this when I was a kid.
I hope you have a kid with ADHD and try (and fail miserably) to cure it by 'not over-stimulating' them.
You're right. It's not a disease. It's a disorder. That's what the last D in ADHD stands for. You are also right in that there is no pathogen. ADD/ADHD is a chemical imbalance.
And yes, it can be hereditary. My mom has all the symptoms, and behaviors of someone with ADHD, as do two of her sisters. Guess what? They were raised by old fashioned, very strict, far-from-being-wealthy, rural country parents; that debunks your hypothesis right there.
Do you think taking steriods can make you mean, irritable and angry? I sure do. Guess why? Too much steriods upsets the chemical/hormonal balance in your brain and makes you act differently. I guess Chris Benoit's fit of rage was all in his head, huh? Steriods is a different type of chemical, but the principle of chemical imbalance is the same.
As for the medication, once I finally found the right one, it works. I know it can't all be in my head because if it was, I would have convinced myself that the first medication that I tried, Strattera, would have 'mentally' cured me. I didn't. Neither did the second medication that I tried. Whereas I actually noticed a difference with the Daytrana.

 

[lucifers angel]

I was actually talking about adults. I did not know that I had this when I was a kid.
I hope you have a kid with ADHD and try (and fail miserably) to cure it by 'not over-stimulating' them.
You're right. It's not a disease. It's a disorder. That's what the last D in ADHD stands for. You are also right in that there is no pathogen. ADD/ADHD is a chemical imbalance.
And yes, it can be hereditary. My mom has all the symptoms, and behaviors of someone with ADHD, as do two of her sisters. Guess what? They were raised by old fashioned, very strict, far-from-being-wealthy, rural country parents; that debunks your hypothesis right there.
Do you think taking steriods can make you mean, irritable and angry? I sure do. Guess why? Too much steriods upsets the chemical/hormonal balance in your brain and makes you act differently. I guess Chris Benoit's fit of rage was all in his head, huh? Steriods is a different type of chemical, but the principle of chemical imbalance is the same.
As for the medication, once I finally found the right one, it works. I know it can't all be in my head because if it was, I would have convinced myself that the first medication that I tried, Strattera, would have 'mentally' cured me. I didn't. Neither did the second medication that I tried. Whereas I actually noticed a difference with the Daytrana.

likewise with me, i had all the symptoms of the condition but it was put down to being a naughty kid, i wasn't naughty i just didnt know that the things i did were wrong,

its not in all our heads its a condition that we have to live with every day, and i do hope one day pholistighan you ahve a child with ADHD/ADD and you will then (hopefully) realise that its not a faddy condition its realy out there and there's nothing you can do about it.

like i said i ahve tried changeing, diets, enviroment, friends (in case of bad influences) even stupid little things like smells.

and nothing has worked i cook from scratch every night, tehy never ever have pepsi or coke, so what else am i to do? how would you cure it pholistighan?

 

[phlogistician]

IYou're right. It's not a disease. It's a disorder. That's what the last D in ADHD stands for.

So what is the trigger for this disorder, and why the sudden avalanche of cases?

You are also right in that there is no pathogen. ADD/ADHD is a chemical imbalance.

The 'cure' is chemicals, the neurological problem far more complex.

, it can be hereditary. My mom has all the symptoms, and behaviors of someone with ADHD, as do two of her sisters.

So why, suddenly, all the cases since the 80's?

 

[mikenostic]

So what is the trigger for this disorder, and why the sudden avalanche of cases?

So why, suddenly, all the cases since the 80's?

These could be possible reasons:
http://www.add-adhd-help-center.com/newsletters/newsletter_15july03.htm

ADHD has gone under a number of aliases since its first clinical description a century ago. In 1902 the set of characteristics was labeled as “Morbid Defect of Moral Control” (Oh my!), followed by “Post-encephalitic Behavior Disorders” in 1922 (whatever that means). “Minimal Brain Dysfunction” was the new ADHD catchphrase in 1960, followed by “Hyperkinetic Reaction” in 1968. It was not until 1980 that the term “Attention Deficit Disorder +/- Hyperactivity” was coined.

Attention Deficit became more widely reviewed in the 1960s and 1970s. The focus in the 1960s was primarily on hyperactivity. That emphasis changed in the 1970s when doctors and researchers began making the connection between the inward daydreaming and lack of focus and the outward impulsivity and hyperactivity. By the 1990s, Attention Deficit became widely studied, discussed, debated and diagnosed.

And this website that says more of the same stuff...
http://www.add-adhd-help-center.com/newsletters/newsletter_15july03.htm

 

[John99]

I saw a documentary about this and i was like 'dang that describes every F'ing kid on the planet'

 

[G. F. Schleebenhorst]

OCD has been around for over a decade.
Go watch that movie 'As Good as it Gets'. Jack Nicholson nails an OCD person to the tee.
Tony Shalhoub's character in 'Monk' is also another extreme case of OCD.

I have OCD, it's pretty mild though.

My friend Jason has OCD. His house is more organized and clean than a museum.

That's Obsessive Compulsive PERSONALITY Disorder. A different thing altogether.

 

[lucifers angel]

So what is the trigger for this disorder, and why the sudden avalanche of cases?




The 'cure' is chemicals, the neurological problem far more complex.



So why, suddenly, all the cases since the 80's?

if you close your eyes and minds long enough of course its not going to excist!
MSPB (munchouesns) does that excist?

 

[John99]

give it a name, give it a label.

 

[lucifers angel]

give it a name, give it a label.

john, if you dont see it, it doesnt excist thats the way it seems to me from some of the people here yourself included!

unless you know / have kids with ADHD/ADD then you cannot say it doesnt excist!

 

[John99]

Some kids need more attention but how did all those kids survive 50 years ago? Still, like i said from what i saw from the warning signs i still was thinking that those signs arise from time to time in all kids. I am sure in some cases extra help is needed but still. Basically we can find something wrong with everyone.