A sense we have that many people are unaware of

Michael 345 said:
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At the same time, there are also many people who disagree just like how you disagree. Maybe we really don't know the truth then. But I am just going with the idea that they really do have built-in values to them based upon my own personal experience. What's interesting here is that I never heard anybody or any scientist ever tell me that our basic emotions have any built-in values to them. I discovered this on my own through my own personal experience. Sure enough, I came up with the idea that our emotions have built-in values to them and such an idea was upholded by other scientists. This proves here that I really do have great insight into my own personal experience and, who knows, I could also be right when I say that our moral and intellectual based values are not real values.

As it stands though, it seems to me we live in a world where people mostly argue and debate and that we really don't know the answer one way or the other. There are certain things we do widely agree upon as human beings such as the idea that, if you drink poison, that would be lethal to you. There is no disagreement about that. But then there are things that we just argue and debate about. One side thinks they know the truth and the other side thinks they know the truth. But perhaps none of them know the truth and they just think they do. An example would be debates between believers in the afterlife and people who think this is the one and only life we have. There is much claimed evidence for the afterlife, but, at the same time, skeptics would reject such evidence and they would claim that they instead have all the evidence to support the idea that this is the one and only life we have.
 
MattMVS7 said:
At the same time, there are also many people who disagree just like how you disagree. Maybe we really don't know the truth then. But I am just going with the idea that they really do have built-in values to them based upon my own personal experience. What's interesting here is that I never heard anybody or any scientist ever tell me that our basic emotions have any built-in values to them. I discovered this on my own through my own personal experience. Sure enough, I came up with the idea that our emotions have built-in values to them and such an idea was upholded by other scientists. This proves here that I really do have great insight into my own personal experience and, who knows, I could also be right when I say that our moral and intellectual based values are not real values.

As it stands though, it seems to me we live in a world where people mostly argue and debate and that we really don't know the answer one way or the other. There are certain things we do widely agree upon as human beings such as the idea that, if you drink poison, that would be lethal to you. There is no disagreement about that. But then there are things that we just argue and debate about. One side thinks they know the truth and the other side thinks they know the truth. But perhaps none of them know the truth and they just think they do. An example would be debates between believers in the afterlife and people who think this is the one and only life we have. There is much claimed evidence for the afterlife, but, at the same time, skeptics would reject such evidence and they would claim that they instead have all the evidence to support the idea that this is the one and only life we have.
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billvon said:
Senses are mechanisms by which we sense EXTERNAL stimuli.

Emotions are responses to INTERNAL mental states.

Emotions are not senses, by definition.
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Is there some reason this went unanswered?
It's the most salient point in the thread.
 
When you watch a movie, you will notice there are sounds, visuals, colors, a story line, plot, climax, and an ending to it. But there is something more in a movie as well which would be the atmosphere. If all the characters in the movie just played out the whole movie in a completely monotonous manner, then that would be a dull movie. There would be no joyful, beautiful, or horrible atmosphere at all to that movie. This is what our basic, lower emotions do.

They create the mental atmosphere for us in our lives whether that atmosphere be something joyful, beautiful, loving, disgusting, etc. Without that atmosphere, then our lives would have no value since it would be a dull, valueless atmosphere. Sure, people do act emotional through their intellect and morality as I pointed out earlier.

But, on the inside, these people would be like empty vessels and they would really be having no atmosphere at all in their lives without their basic, lower emotions. My basic, lower emotions create my entire atmosphere and this has been my own personal experience. My morality and intellect alone does not create any type of atmosphere whatsoever. All I am doing is just sharing to you my own personal experience.

There were many moments where I was happy, many moments where I was completely hopeless and miserable, and there were also many moments in my life where I was completely numb inside. All of these moments have given me great insight into these basic, lower emotions and just how vital they really are. Many people are led to believe that they aren't that important, that they are trivial, and that we just need to be tough and rule over them rather than allowing them to rule over us.

But I think they are absolutely vital and many people are in denial. I have pointed out earlier how people are already in denial when it comes to these basic, lower emotions since they are denying the fact that they are value judgments. However, I am open minded to the possibility that I am just allowing them to rule the atmosphere of my life. If I can somehow create my own atmosphere rather than my basic emotions doing that for me, then that would be great since I would be the one in charge of my life rather than my basic emotions. But I am not sure this is even possible.

One last thing here. Positive emotions are the reward wanting and liking as pointed out by this study. I will give the link to the study soon enough. If you were to conduct a survey and ask many people if their positive emotions are a form of wanting and liking, they would say "no." These people would instead tell you that it is their morality and intellect which allows them to want and like things. This also shows here that these people are in denial when it comes to their positive emotions because they deny the fact that they are a form of wanting and liking.

It is through our positive emotions that we want and like things such as if you felt excited about the idea of getting a new movie or video game. Since people are in denial, then why would you expect me to trust them when they make the claim that their morality and intellect is a real form of value and a real form of wanting and liking in their lives? I have only my own personal experience to go by and I cannot trust humanity no matter the things they say. With all of this being said, here is the study:

We have found a special hedonic hotspot that is crucial for reward 'liking' and 'wanting' (and codes reward learning too). The opioid hedonic hotspot is shown in red above. It works together with another hedonic hotspot in the more famous nucleus accumbens to generate pleasure 'liking'.

‘Liking’ and ‘wanting’ food rewards: Brain substrates and roles in eating disorders

Kent C. Berridge 2009 Mar 29.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2717031/
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MattMVS7 said:
I might have actually been wrong when I said that our basic emotions are a sense. But I still think they are a feeling version of value and that they are the chemical message to our brains that things are good, beautiful, bad, horrible, or disgusting. Our morality and intellect alone cannot be any real message of value to our brains. It can only give us the thought of certain values, but not any real message of value to our brains.
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Yes, emotions are important; they were very important before we had organized societies, and they retain much of that importance today. Fortunately, today we are able to override our emotions with our intellect, so we don't kill our neighbors when they play their TV too loud or assault every good looking woman (or man) that walks by.
 
MattMVS7 said:
I think our emotions allow us to sense value to give our lives value.
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Feeling and emotions play an interesting role. I read that ideas are often associated with feelings and emotions. They also play a role in memory retention. Another thing to consider are their evolutionary history--not only are anger and fear an important factor, but so is the feeling of disgust. They play a functional role in our life experience, always have and always will. I value my feelings and emotions, and I think that life would be dry and sterile without them.
 
Hate can help but it must suffer, ultimately it's cast aside by the greater good. Like a little Devil.

Your right about certain things op, but seek pleasure.
 
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