A plea

GeoffP

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A plea: don't ban Sniffy, please. She flipped out I think because I was joking with her in PM and it all went south. I didn't mean it that way, honestly. Sniff, I'm sorry - I was just kidding and really it's no big deal, ok? I had no idea that the moderator thing would end up being such a big deal. Maybe I pushed it too far too: humour only matters so much and no more. That's all I wanted to say; I won't post again on it and I don't want to stir the pot any more than it's been stirred, really. My bad. Honestly, very very sorry.

Geoff
 
Probably a good thread for the open government.

Enmos can practice by moving this one.

Personally, I'd be opposed to banning her too. Anyway, what did she do to get banned? Debate me? Or are we talking about someplace else?

~String
 
it was my fault. lets just drop the whole issue...see how enmos cleans the thread. he should clean all the ad homs including those against me. some members threw out some cheese, perhaps unintentionally.
 
Probably a good thread for the open government.

Enmos can practice by moving this one.

Personally, I'd be opposed to banning her too. Anyway, what did she do to get banned? Debate me? Or are we talking about someplace else?

~String
Ok, I will move it.

enmos, how long till my thread gets opened?
It's open again. If you still have any complaints about specific posts, let me know by PM.
 
A plea: don't ban Sniffy, please. She flipped out I think because I was joking with her in PM and it all went south. I didn't mean it that way, honestly. Sniff, I'm sorry - I was just kidding and really it's no big deal, ok? I had no idea that the moderator thing would end up being such a big deal. Maybe I pushed it too far too: humour only matters so much and no more. That's all I wanted to say; I won't post again on it and I don't want to stir the pot any more than it's been stirred, really. My bad. Honestly, very very sorry.

Geoff

Don't take responsibility for something that is not yours to take. I asked to be banned.

If you lose your sense of humour boy you gots nothing, nothing at all.

Little furry beings as you well know don't usually last for more than two years anyway. They don't normally talk or post on website forumseeyes either but that is thoroughly beside the point.

I should have gone when Mr Anonymous did because god knows Mr Anonymous predicted a plummeting. Or a sinking. Or was it a lowering? Oh god the metaphors mangled again. I swore if I ever felt the remotest temptation to post LOL I would do the honourable thing. And so it came to pass.

Oh and I'm ashamed to say I gave in to that temptation today. A couple of times actually.

It's the PMT you see gives me tantrums. Cunt that I have.

That's how they'll paint it anyway.
 
I have responded to your rant, sniffy, in the thread you started (which is closed). I'm happy to discuss any remaining concerns you have by PM, or here if you want to make it a public spectacle.
 
Let's keep this public. One of your mods has already stated there's no such thing as guaranteed privacy here. Nothing on the internet can be taken seriously. All things here can be altered so what the hell, eh?

This provoked the rant.

"I just don't like the fact that some members are still trying to make me look evil, even after these three years."

I asked for some evidence of this accusation. None provided.

Now one more thing you can clear up for me bearing in mind that one of your moderators has already stated nothing here to be taken seriously, or guaranteed to be private, truthful, ....etc.

Is it OK for a moderator to get another moderator to move posts from a thread where he has no moderator powers to one where he has some moderator powers so that he can alter the content and then lock it so that a poster (ya know one without moderator powers) cannot respond to said thread? Especially when said moderator has stated that he has not the jurisdiction to alter any posts in said thread as he is "just participating as a poster"?


And finally. I couldn't give a shit who you nominate as a moderator. I don't have favourites. Having said that here are the posters I hold in high esteem in no order of preference:

oneraven
geoffp
oli
tiassa
bells
sam
billyT
ophiolite
bentheman
pete


Some didn't even figure on the radar due to a lack of interaction superstring01being one of those until yesterday.

Some who were once held in high esteem but slipped due to recent interactions:

Fraggle Rocker
JamesR
Plazma

One who was held in very low esteem due to his behaviour on this very website but was working his way up due to recent interactions:

Enmos

Heading back down again.


Now none of this matters one hoot. It doesn't matter because one day this website will be deleted and we'll all be dead. Isn't that right?


I ask questions. And wait for answers. I read. I listen. Sometimes I get things wrong. Well quite often I get things wrong but:

For the public/private record. Here I am.

But now I'm going to get a life as suggested by superstring01 because I obviously took this place far too seriously. I mean you only have to look at my username and post count for the number of years I've been here and compare them to say other posters with far, far higher postcounts. To compare lives and make suggestions as to who should get one.

Seriously.

One more little thing. If I wasn't a woman would the notion of 'getting upset' even have been posited?
 
sniffy:

One of your mods has already stated there's no such thing as guaranteed privacy here. Nothing on the internet can be taken seriously. All things here can be altered so what the hell, eh?

I doubt the moderator, whoever it was, said that nothing on the internet can be taken seriously. The rest is fair comment. We do, however, take the privacy of members quite seriously. There would have to be a good reason to invade a member's privacy, and particularly to publish personal information given to admins/moderators in confidence by the member.

Is it OK for a moderator to get another moderator to move posts from a thread where he has no moderator powers to one where he has some moderator powers so that he can alter the content and then lock it so that a poster (ya know one without moderator powers) cannot respond to said thread? Especially when said moderator has stated that he has not the jurisdiction to alter any posts in said thread as he is "just participating as a poster"?

This is a strange question to ask in the abstract. If you wish to make a specific accusation against a moderator, I suggest you contact one of the admins (myself, Stryder, Plazma Inferno!) by PM and provide the relevant evidence and details of your accusation. We'll look into it.

And finally. I couldn't give a shit who you nominate as a moderator.

I didn't nominate anybody. In fact, the moderator group as a whole decided to call for volunteers, and indeed a new moderator was selected from among those who put their names forward. But thanks for letting me know.

I don't have favourites. Having said that here are the posters I hold in high esteem in no order of preference:

oneraven
geoffp
oli
tiassa
bells
sam
billyT
ophiolite
bentheman
pete

Great! But this is just an excuse to slag off the people you don't like, isn't it? Here it comes:

sniffy said:
Some didn't even figure on the radar due to a lack of interaction superstring01being one of those until yesterday.

Some who were once held in high esteem but slipped due to recent interactions:

Fraggle Rocker
JamesR
Plazma

Meh. I'm used to it. Some people can't take any fair criticism or even questioning of their motives or actions without holding a personal grudge forever after. It comes with the territory of being a moderator or administrator. We're always pleasantly surprised when a member doesn't rant and complain when they receive a warning, for example. The usual response is to make excuses, or claim biased moderation, or whatever - anything except take responsibility for one's own actions.

Now none of this matters one hoot. It doesn't matter because one day this website will be deleted and we'll all be dead. Isn't that right?

sciforums is unlikely to last forever, but it has been around for 10 years so far. Your immortal words will no doubt live on in the google caches, if nowhere else, for some time after sciforums is gone.

But now I'm going to get a life as suggested by superstring01 because I obviously took this place far too seriously. I mean you only have to look at my username and post count for the number of years I've been here and compare them to say other posters with far, far higher postcounts. To compare lives and make suggestions as to who should get one.

Maybe you ought to take up this matter with superstring. You seem to have a few unresolved issues.

One more little thing. If I wasn't a woman would the notion of 'getting upset' even have been posited?

I assure you that when it comes to member rants like yours I make no distinction between men and women.
 
sniffy:
I doubt the moderator, whoever it was, said that nothing on the internet can be taken seriously. The rest is fair comment. We do, however, take the privacy of members quite seriously. There would have to be a good reason to invade a member's privacy, and particularly to publish personal information given to admins/moderators in confidence by the member.

Thankyou for this. The post record stands. The moderator in question stated in a post that nothing on the internet should be taken seriously particularly anything on this website. Nothing on this website could be guaranteed - truth, freedom, privacy, etc. Hours later he tried to backtrack.

He also stated that the members here should not expect to have any say in what goes on here.

Now here is one member who has no confidence in one of your moderators but hey I'm not expecting to be taken seriously.



This is a strange question to ask in the abstract. If you wish to make a specific accusation against a moderator, I suggest you contact one of the admins (myself, Stryder, Plazma Inferno!) by PM and provide the relevant evidence and details of your accusation. We'll look into it.

I suggest you check your report buttons, threads and get back to me publicly. Nothing here guaranteed to be private your moderator said so remember? So I won't be sending anymore PMs. Everything can be altered. Names statistics poll results context everything. So why should I trust what you say?



I didn't nominate anybody. In fact, the moderator group as a whole decided to call for volunteers, and indeed a new moderator was selected from among those who put their names forward. But thanks for letting me know.

I was responding to your accusations that I was disgruntled about my favourite not being nominated, instated, pickled.



Great! But this is just an excuse to slag off the people you don't like, isn't it? Here it comes:

Have I slagged anyone off?



Meh. I'm used to it. Some people can't take any fair criticism or even questioning of their motives or actions without holding a personal grudge forever after. It comes with the territory of being a moderator or administrator. We're always pleasantly surprised when a member doesn't rant and complain when they receive a warning, for example. The usual response is to make excuses, or claim biased moderation, or whatever - anything except take responsibility for one's own actions.

Now here I am going to suggest that the opposite of this is true of me but that it might be true of someone else maybe some others because of my association with another website. Someone made an accusation about some members here. No evidence posited.

I don't hold grudges. I talked about holding people in higher or lower esteem and how such people go up or down. Up and down depending on recent interactions....


sciforums is unlikely to last forever, but it has been around for 10 years so far. Your immortal words will no doubt live on in the google caches, if nowhere else, for some time after sciforums is gone.

Indeed. If they aren't deleted and altered. The context and emphasis changed. But then they wouldn't be regarded as my immortal words now would they? Or would they? Nothing here guaranteed certainly not truth or privacy.



Maybe you ought to take up this matter with superstring. You seem to have a few unresolved issues.

I did dear.



I assure you that when it comes to member rants like yours I make no distinction between men and women.

Well that's good to know.
 
“ Originally Posted by superstring01
It's a website that consists of ones and zeros. What did you expect, the stuff to be chiseled into stone? ”

Should I not have high expectations? Even if yours aren't?




“ One: It's only fraud if it's actually done (which you'd need to prove). ”

Well there's the rub isn't it? Should I get my lawyers out? Or my pudding?


“ It's not a democracy nor a public place. ”

No shit sherlock? I think it is pretty public though dont you?


“ The terms an conditions are named, at length. Did you read them? Three: It's not fraud if it's not advertised as being "truthful" or permanent. There is no such assertion here on our part. This place is for casual enjoyment. This does not make Sciforums un-important, but don't be crazy enough to think that we are bound to conform to your worldview on this matter. Don't be surprised, either, if we don't. ”

Your assumptions will make an ass of you.
Are people who question institutions crazy as you imply?
So if people are lead to believe that something is truthful and then it proves otherwise.. will you walk with me down shit street?!

I believe clarity is vital. Perhaps you should advertise the fact that moderators can alter the poll responses. It could form part of those conditions that you name at length....

Suggested text: 'Don't whatever you do take us seriously. I mean we are supposed to be a science forum dealing with empirical fact but FUCK THAT!'






“ There is no promise of permanence, truth, openness, privacy or freedom. ”

Whoops.

I think you will find that people expect those things though when they sign up!

Stupid people!


“ Getting annoyed about what goes on here, is like joining a private club and getting annoyed because they change the uniform, rules, wall-paper after you join. Being here (being there) is an option. If you find it so terrible, well. . . you know your options. ”


I'm not annoyed. I'm disgusted, frankly. Sorry if that's a bit full on for you.

So the members of something should have no right to express annoyance in something they have joined? They should just shut up and put up.

Noted.




“ Did you really fool yourself into believing that the owners and operators of this forum didn't reserve the right to alter the data and content of the forum? It's a website that consists of information written on a hard-disk drive somewhere in the industrialized world. With a few key-strokes the entire website can be deleted. ”

I'm the very last person I wish to fool.



“ Besides, the site policy on "altering" posts is: don't do it without good reason or risk losing your mod privileges. Every change is stored in archive, so if I screw with a poll results for no reason, then that fact can be accessed and viewed. Eventually a mod will be questioned as to this behavior and censured or even demoted. ”

What would be a legitimate reason for screwing with a poll? Just out of interest you understand.
 
Now 'Sciforums is private property thread' that is locked was significantly altered last night to make it look as though certain things were not said by superstring01 and that other things were said by me that were said in response to different posts. I draw particular attention to post *9.

Now I'm getting tired because I had no sleep last night thinking about this. I am guilty of taking it too seriously I know.

There you go.
 
OR If you knew how genuinely upset I am now about all this.....

Not upset in a member rant kind of way but just 'upset'..... :bawl:
 
OR If you knew how genuinely upset I am now about all this.....

Not upset in a member rant kind of way but just 'upset'..... :bawl:

I'm sorry. I've been there and believe me, its not worth it. I hope you feel better soon.
 
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