A New Type of Quantum Entanglement: Actually Spooky!

[qntumbraincompinterface]

Can others share their knowledge and opinions on the following?


A few others I have met online and I have a speculative theory that quantum entanglement protocols might not need to classically send the Bell state measurement. Some talk about nitrogen vacancy centers that help combat decoherence. Here I would like to describe that perhaps it's negative energy densities that negate the need for classical transmission of Bell state measurements.


The first thing people will think of might be the no signaling theorem. That's a big one, but even Sabine Hossenfelder, a pop science educator, commented that the speed of light might not be the ultimate limit.


Why the speed of light is not an absolute limit -YouTube

Now, the reason I'm interested in this topic is that scientists like Roger Penrose have discussed how the brain might work at the quantum level, and that organizations are trying to quantum entangle the brain with quantum computers. If we develop a theory of everything and consolidate quantum mechanics and general relativity, we might find ourselves with the ability to not only augment the human brain but also cure diseases. Yes, this might trigger the skeptical parts of your brains, as one could immediately comment that mind reading could also be a thing, but I like the positive ideas.


https://www.researchgate.net/public...Quantum_Processes_Create_Conscious_Experience



https://www.iflscience.com/scientis...-computers-to-learn-about-consciousness-77442



https://thequantuminsider.com/2024/...nts-potential-role-in-neural-synchronization/


What I hope that others can provide is a way to connect distant ideas based on existing knowledge from science, to help support this speculative theory.


Now, I'm not an expert by any means in these fields of study. What I have read is that through the ER=EPR conjecture, wormholes are like quantum entanglement. So what if there were ways to make quantum entanglement more like a traversable wormhole (while not worrying about causality or paradoxical issues, as perhaps light speed isn't the ultimate limit)?


Would one use negative energy densities through Quantum Energy Teleportation to accomplish this alternate type of quantum entanglement as negative energy is what is needed for wormholes?


What if it is possible to have a sustained negative energy density sent from the future, as this would bypass the quantum inequality that forbids sustained large amounts of negative energy density due to the approaching infinitesimally short amount of time of the densities existence time, and what if this negative energy density was used to open a wormhole or make a type of quantum entanglement where a wormhole is associated?


September30, 2024
Evidence of ‘Negative Time’ Found in Quantum Physics Experiment
Physicists showed that photons can seem to exit a material before entering it, revealing observational evidence of negative time
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ive-time-found-in-quantum-physics-experiment/


Physicists Say It’s Possible To Send Messages To The Past - Sabine Hossenfelder
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZrHrw1ubqs


Alternative associated idea:


What if negative energy, affected by negative gravity, balanced time dilations between a hypothetically entangled system of Alice and Bob, and this is what is needed for the main speculative theory to work?


What if time dilations are what's holding back the discovery of an advanced form of quantum entanglement? As if you created at raversable wormhole, there would be some sort of slight paradox: how would one traverse from a region of space dilated such that its clocks peed is faster, to a region of space that has a slower clock speed, without time traveling? There would be some sort of instantaneous spacetime where you would have to cross the dilation, and because we are assuming the speed of light is not the ultimate limit, we can say this is a paradox. Could one use negative energy to create regions of negative gravity that balance out Alice's and Bob's time dilation? Could the ruler to measure the time dilations be negative time experiments?

 

[exchemist]

Can others share their knowledge and opinions on the following?


A few others I have met online and I have a speculative theory that quantum entanglement protocols might not need to classically send the Bell state measurement. Some talk about nitrogen vacancy centers that help combat decoherence. Here I would like to describe that perhaps it's negative energy densities that negate the need for classical transmission of Bell state measurements.


The first thing people will think of might be the no signaling theorem. That's a big one, but even Sabine Hossenfelder, a pop science educator, commented that the speed of light might not be the ultimate limit.


Why the speed of light is not an absolute limit -YouTube

Now, the reason I'm interested in this topic is that scientists like Roger Penrose have discussed how the brain might work at the quantum level, and that organizations are trying to quantum entangle the brain with quantum computers. If we develop a theory of everything and consolidate quantum mechanics and general relativity, we might find ourselves with the ability to not only augment the human brain but also cure diseases. Yes, this might trigger the skeptical parts of your brains, as one could immediately comment that mind reading could also be a thing, but I like the positive ideas.


https://www.researchgate.net/public...Quantum_Processes_Create_Conscious_Experience



https://www.iflscience.com/scientis...-computers-to-learn-about-consciousness-77442



https://thequantuminsider.com/2024/...nts-potential-role-in-neural-synchronization/


What I hope that others can provide is a way to connect distant ideas based on existing knowledge from science, to help support this speculative theory.


Now, I'm not an expert by any means in these fields of study. What I have read is that through the ER=EPR conjecture, wormholes are like quantum entanglement. So what if there were ways to make quantum entanglement more like a traversable wormhole (while not worrying about causality or paradoxical issues, as perhaps light speed isn't the ultimate limit)?


Would one use negative energy densities through Quantum Energy Teleportation to accomplish this alternate type of quantum entanglement as negative energy is what is needed for wormholes?


What if it is possible to have a sustained negative energy density sent from the future, as this would bypass the quantum inequality that forbids sustained large amounts of negative energy density due to the approaching infinitesimally short amount of time of the densities existence time, and what if this negative energy density was used to open a wormhole or make a type of quantum entanglement where a wormhole is associated?


September30, 2024
Evidence of ‘Negative Time’ Found in Quantum Physics Experiment
Physicists showed that photons can seem to exit a material before entering it, revealing observational evidence of negative time
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ive-time-found-in-quantum-physics-experiment/


Physicists Say It’s Possible To Send Messages To The Past - Sabine Hossenfelder
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZrHrw1ubqs


Alternative associated idea:


What if negative energy, affected by negative gravity, balanced time dilations between a hypothetically entangled system of Alice and Bob, and this is what is needed for the main speculative theory to work?


What if time dilations are what's holding back the discovery of an advanced form of quantum entanglement? As if you created at raversable wormhole, there would be some sort of slight paradox: how would one traverse from a region of space dilated such that its clocks peed is faster, to a region of space that has a slower clock speed, without time traveling? There would be some sort of instantaneous spacetime where you would have to cross the dilation, and because we are assuming the speed of light is not the ultimate limit, we can say this is a paradox. Could one use negative energy to create regions of negative gravity that balance out Alice's and Bob's time dilation? Could the ruler to measure the time dilations be negative time experiments?

This reads like word salad, I'm afraid: a random jumble of sciency words with no connecting train of reasoning that I can discern. As a chemist, I find your mention of "nitrogen vacancy centres" particularly random, when compared to the rest of it. It sounds like something to do with crystallography, in which a vacancy is a crystal defect in the form of a gap in the otherwise regular array of atoms. But such a meaning appears completely irrelevant to the rest of the text. The needle on my nutcase detector has accordingly started to move from its end stop .

I'll have a go at the -ve energy idea on your other thread, as that one seems a little bit more coherent.

 

[C C]

Can others share their knowledge and opinions on the following? [...]

You seem to have a miscellaneous dump here of various items about quantum consciousness, wormholes, time travel, etc. With text gestures expressing obscure passions about "entanglement" connecting them.

What I hope that others can provide is a way to connect distant ideas based on existing knowledge from science, to help support this speculative theory.

The second paragraph isn't a formal "theory", speculative or otherwise. "Nitrogen vacancy centers help combat decoherence" might as well be "Wondrous awe would die for a grapefruit!" if you can't clarify what that's about and what this overarching concept is that it supposedly factors into.

Possibly you're roundaboutly acknowledging that this is a "junk pile" that you want others to tediously sort through and assemble its motley collection of components into a meaningful sculpture that you propose abides in the jumble (even though it doesn't exist yet)?

Physicists Say It’s Possible To Send Messages To The Past - Sabine Hossenfelder
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZrHrw1ubqs

HOSSENFELDER (excerpt): That said, in today’s reality we can’t predict the outcome of quantum measurements. And post-selection isn’t something you can magically enforce on our universe. This means that for practical purposes their device works more like this...

Suppose I set up an X-Twitter account and post a hundred thousand messages predicting the next major LA earthquake for any possible day until 2100. Then, once it happens, I delete all messages but one, celebrate the correct prediction, and claim that it was given to me by a time traveler. Works on X, doesn’t work in reality.

So I have to give this paper an 8 out of 10 on the bullshit meter. The maths works out, but their interpretation is highly questionable. That said, the real story here is not that physicists have invented a working telephone to yesterday. The story is that physicists are slowly rethinking temporal relations, which I think are much more complicated than the simple cause-effect idea that we’re used to.
_

 

[James R]

qntumbraincompinterface:

It seems to me that you're collecting bits and pieces of scientific information and speculation that, possibly, you don't really understand very well, and mashing them together to come up with conclusions that don't have much (or any) empirical support or which, in some cases, don't really make sense, even as speculative hypotheses.

A few others I have met online and I have a speculative theory that quantum entanglement protocols might not need to classically send the Bell state measurement.

Have you done the maths on your "theory"? Have you written it up in the form of an article suitable for peer-reviewed publication?

Or what you say you have a "speculative theory", do you really mean that you have vague imaginings about a world you think might be possible, but nothing very concrete to back up those imaginings with actual science?

Some talk about nitrogen vacancy centers that help combat decoherence.

Who is "some"? Some context and/or references could be useful.

Here I would like to describe that perhaps it's negative energy densities that negate the need for classical transmission of Bell state measurements.

You don't seem to have described that in any detail in your post.

The first thing people will think of might be the no signaling theorem.

What about it?

That's a big one, but even Sabine Hossenfelder, a pop science educator, commented that the speed of light might not be the ultimate limit.

Are you saying that Sabine Hossenfelder endorses your speculative theory?

Now, the reason I'm interested in this topic is that scientists like Roger Penrose have discussed how the brain might work at the quantum level, and that organizations are trying to quantum entangle the brain with quantum computers.

What does any of that have to do with "a speculative theory that quantum entanglement protocols might not need to classically send the Bell state measurement"?

If we develop a theory of everything and consolidate quantum mechanics and general relativity, we might find ourselves with the ability to not only augment the human brain but also cure diseases.

Okay. And if we develop a theory of flying pigs, we might find ourselves with ready access to bacon from the sky.

So what?

Yes, this might trigger the skeptical parts of your brains, as one could immediately comment that mind reading could also be a thing, but I like the positive ideas.

It's great to have an open mind, but not so open that your brains fall out.

https://www.researchgate.net/public...Quantum_Processes_Create_Conscious_Experience

https://www.iflscience.com/scientis...-computers-to-learn-about-consciousness-77442

https://thequantuminsider.com/2024/...nts-potential-role-in-neural-synchronization/

If these articles are relevant to your argument, you should summarise their content, rather than expecting your readers to go off and investigate for themselves.

If you have done the legwork on fleshing out your ideas, you are the one who needs to sell those ideas to your readers. You shouldn't expect them to have to re-tread all the ground you've already gone over.

What I hope that others can provide is a way to connect distant ideas based on existing knowledge from science, to help support this speculative theory.

You're hoping other people can take your vague ideas and turn them into a viable and important scientific theory for you?

Now, I'm not an expert by any means in these fields of study.

But you absolutely know what a Bell state is and what quantum entanglement protocols are and what a nitrogen vacancy is. Right?

What I have read is that through the ER=EPR conjecture...

What's ER?

... wormholes are like quantum entanglement.

"Like" in what way(s)? Please explain.

So what if there were ways to make quantum entanglement more like a traversable wormhole (while not worrying about causality or paradoxical issues, as perhaps light speed isn't the ultimate limit)?

What if it started to rain fairy floss?

I know this sounds flippant, but think about it. You're not proposing any method for even beginning to work on the problem of making quantum entanglement like a traversable wormhole. So, what you're asking is approximately equivalent to asking what would happen if just about any other fantasy idea we might have could be made real.

Would one use negative energy densities through Quantum Energy Teleportation to accomplish this alternate type of quantum entanglement as negative energy is what is needed for wormholes?

How do you propose one might use negative energy densities? Be specific.

What if it is possible to have a sustained negative energy density sent from the future...

What if it is possible to turn into Timothe Chalomet?

.September30, 2024
Evidence of ‘Negative Time’ Found in Quantum Physics Experiment
Physicists showed that photons can seem to exit a material before entering it, revealing observational evidence of negative time
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...ive-time-found-in-quantum-physics-experiment/

The headline there is misleading. The experiment described does not reveal any evidence of negative time.

Physicists Say It’s Possible To Send Messages To The Past - Sabine Hossenfelder
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZrHrw1ubqs

Is Sabine Hossenfelder your favorite youtuber?

What if negative energy, affected by negative gravity, balanced time dilations between a hypothetically entangled system of Alice and Bob, and this is what is needed for the main speculative theory to work?

What if Elon Musk gave me all his money tomorrow?

What's negative gravity and why do you think it is real?

What if time dilations are what's holding back the discovery of an advanced form of quantum entanglement?

What if poverty in Zimbabwe is holding back the discovery of cold fusion?

As if you created at raversable wormhole, there would be some sort of slight paradox: how would one traverse from a region of space dilated such that its clocks peed is faster, to a region of space that has a slower clock speed, without time traveling?

By this stage, your post appears to be about something entirely different to what you started talking about. Maybe try to focus on one big idea at a time.

 

[qntumbraincompinterface]

Hey Everyone,
Thanks so much for your comments and suggestions.

I emailed Masahiro Hotta and got a reply.
Mr. Hotta is the creator of the Quantum Energy Teleportation protocol.

Here is the email:

Dear Professor,
I hope this message finds you well. My name is Kevin Huang, and I am an
independent researcher with a longstanding interest in quantum
information, spacetime physics, and the foundations of quantum
mechanics.
I have been thinking about a speculative question involving
post-selected closed timelike curves (P-CTCs), quantum energy
teleportation (QET), and the generation of negative energy densities.
Before spending more time investigating it, I was hoping to learn
whether this idea has already been considered in the literature, or
whether there are known reasons it would not be possible.
My question is roughly as follows:
If a P-CTC framework allows future consistency conditions to influence
present outcomes through postselection, could such a mechanism be
combined with a QET-type protocol to create or maintain a region of
negative energy density for longer than would ordinarily be permitted by
standard quantum inequalities?
More specifically, I am wondering whether future boundary conditions
introduced through a P-CTC-like process could effectively alter the
constraints that normally limit the magnitude-duration relationship of
negative energy densities.
I realize this question is highly speculative and may rely on
assumptions that are not physically realizable. My goal is not to
advocate a theory, but simply to understand whether this line of thought
has already been explored, and if so, whether there are papers, authors,
or concepts that would be relevant for me to study.
If you happen to know of any existing work touching on this question, or
if there is an obvious reason why such a proposal would fail, I would be
grateful for any guidance.
Thank you for your time and consideration.

His reply is inserted here:

https://imgur.com/a/oVOfzr9

The new speculation based on the idea described in the email is as follows [inserted]:

https://imgur.com/a/G8YoFEA

 

[qntumbraincompinterface]

Any comments, opinions and/or suggestions regarding Speculation #3 is warmly welcomed.
Thanks and be well

 

[Pinball1970]

Hey Everyone,
Thanks so much for your comments and suggestions.

I emailed Masahiro Hotta and got a reply.
Mr. Hotta is the creator of the Quantum Energy Teleportation protocol.

Here is the email:

Dear Professor,
I hope this message finds you well. My name is Kevin Huang, and I am an
independent researcher with a longstanding interest in quantum
information, spacetime physics, and the foundations of quantum
mechanics.
I have been thinking about a speculative question involving
post-selected closed timelike curves (P-CTCs), quantum energy
teleportation (QET), and the generation of negative energy densities.
Before spending more time investigating it, I was hoping to learn
whether this idea has already been considered in the literature, or
whether there are known reasons it would not be possible.
My question is roughly as follows:
If a P-CTC framework allows future consistency conditions to influence
present outcomes through postselection, could such a mechanism be
combined with a QET-type protocol to create or maintain a region of
negative energy density for longer than would ordinarily be permitted by
standard quantum inequalities?
More specifically, I am wondering whether future boundary conditions
introduced through a P-CTC-like process could effectively alter the
constraints that normally limit the magnitude-duration relationship of
negative energy densities.
I realize this question is highly speculative and may rely on
assumptions that are not physically realizable. My goal is not to
advocate a theory, but simply to understand whether this line of thought
has already been explored, and if so, whether there are papers, authors,
or concepts that would be relevant for me to study.
If you happen to know of any existing work touching on this question, or
if there is an obvious reason why such a proposal would fail, I would be
grateful for any guidance.
Thank you for your time and consideration.

His reply is inserted here:

https://imgur.com/a/oVOfzr9

The new speculation based on the idea described in the email is as follows [inserted]:

https://imgur.com/a/G8YoFEA

I don't click links. What did he say?

 

[Pinball1970]

I was hoping to learn
whether this idea has already been considered in the literature

Did you do a literature search? This is far easier now than when I was at University.

 

[qntumbraincompinterface]

I don't click links. What did he say?

Hello Pinball1970,

He replied with this:


~~~~~

Dear Kevin,



Thank you for your email.

Unfortunately, I do not know the answer to your question, nor am I aware of any relevant literature on the topic.

I hope you are able to find a good answer and that your investigation leads to something interesting.



Best regards,

Masahiro

~~~~~

My perspective is at least he didn't say the idea was wrong/not valid.

Thanks for asking!

May I ask how you suggest I do more searches?

Thanks again

 

[qntumbraincompinterface]

Here is speculation three typed out, or a version of it.

Speculation#3: Symmetric Retrocausal Energy Teleportation (SRET)​

Both Alice (in the past/present) and Bob (in the future) end up with localized negative energy densities. Their local unitary operations are not independent – they derive from a single, time symmetric global unitary.


How it works

• Step 0 – Entanglement resource
  A common source creates a Bell pair and sends one half to Alice (time tA) and the other to Bob (time tB>tA). This shared entanglement enables both forward and backward information flow.
  
  
• Step 1 – Forward measurement (past → future)
  Alice measures her half of the Bell pair (plus an ancilla) and sends her classical outcome mA forward to Bob via ordinary communication.
• Step 2 – Backward postselection (future → past)
  Bob performs a Bell state measurement on his half together with a future ancilla. He then postselects on a specific outcome
  mB∗. Only runs with that outcome are kept. This postselection acts as a P CTC, sending a quantum hint backward to Alice.
  
  
• Step 3 – Two way unitary application
  Using the forward hint mA, Bob applies a local unitary UB. Quantum Energy Teleportation (QET) then generates negative energy density at Bob’s location (future).
  Using the backward hint from the P CTC, Alice applies a local unitary UA. QET then generates negative energy density at Alice’s location (past).
  
  
• Step 4 – Shared unitary hypothesis
  UA and UB are not chosen independently. They arise from a single, global unitary Utotal thatacts on the combined Hilbert space of both parties, across time. In the strongest form, UA and UB are the same unitary, projected onto past and future – or two halves of a non local gate that does not respect a fixed temporal order. This all allows large magnitude and sustained negative energy densities by passing quantum inequalities while allowing negative energy densities at both Alice and Bob.
  

How is this interesting

• A traversable wormhole likely requires negative energy at both mouths. SRET delivers that.
  
• Past and future mutually condition each other, resolving the arrow of causality problem inside the loop (self consistency, not paradox).
  
• It extends Speculation #1 (future sourced negative energy alone) to a fully symmetric, two ended resource.

 

[Pinball1970]

Hello Pinball1970,

He replied with this:


~~~~~

Dear Kevin,



Thank you for your email.

Unfortunately, I do not know the answer to your question, nor am I aware of any relevant literature on the topic.

I hope you are able to find a good answer and that your investigation leads to something interesting.



Best regards,

Masahiro

~~~~~

My perspective is at least he didn't say the idea was wrong/not valid.

Thanks for asking!

May I ask how you suggest I do more searches?

Thanks again

Physics.org has a search button and you can try "Google scholar. "

 

[qntumbraincompinterface]

Thanks Pinballl1970!

Speculation #1

https://imgur.com/a/8qVncHU

 

[exchemist]

Here is speculation three typed out, or a version of it.

Speculation#3: Symmetric Retrocausal Energy Teleportation (SRET)​

Both Alice (in the past/present) and Bob (in the future) end up with localized negative energy densities. Their local unitary operations are not independent – they derive from a single, time symmetric global unitary.


How it works

• Step 0 – Entanglement resource
  A common source creates a Bell pair and sends one half to Alice (time tA) and the other to Bob (time tB>tA). This shared entanglement enables both forward and backward information flow.
  
  
• Step 1 – Forward measurement (past → future)
  Alice measures her half of the Bell pair (plus an ancilla) and sends her classical outcome mA forward to Bob via ordinary communication.
• Step 2 – Backward postselection (future → past)
  Bob performs a Bell state measurement on his half together with a future ancilla. He then postselects on a specific outcome
  mB∗. Only runs with that outcome are kept. This postselection acts as a P CTC, sending a quantum hint backward to Alice.
  
  
• Step 3 – Two way unitary application
  Using the forward hint mA, Bob applies a local unitary UB. Quantum Energy Teleportation (QET) then generates negative energy density at Bob’s location (future).
  Using the backward hint from the P CTC, Alice applies a local unitary UA. QET then generates negative energy density at Alice’s location (past).
  
  
• Step 4 – Shared unitary hypothesis
  UA and UB are not chosen independently. They arise from a single, global unitary Utotal thatacts on the combined Hilbert space of both parties, across time. In the strongest form, UA and UB are the same unitary, projected onto past and future – or two halves of a non local gate that does not respect a fixed temporal order. This all allows large magnitude and sustained negative energy densities by passing quantum inequalities while allowing negative energy densities at both Alice and Bob.

How is this interesting

• A traversable wormhole likely requires negative energy at both mouths. SRET delivers that.
  
• Past and future mutually condition each other, resolving the arrow of causality problem inside the loop (self consistency, not paradox).
  
• It extends Speculation #1 (future sourced negative energy alone) to a fully symmetric, two ended resource.

This is written by AI, and therefore does not deserve a response.