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[PsychoticEpisode]

Never seen this before

Asked Google AI this question “Does anything beyond the cosmic event horizon exist?”

Answer:

Yes, it is almost certain that99696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696


Asked same question more than once and each time same answer.

Would I get that answer from any AI? Where did 96 repeated come from? Although starts with a double nine (99)

I’m thinking it’s because there’s no facts to create an answer. Am I close?

 

[DaveC426913]

Works fine for me.

Exploring an alternate hypothesis: do you have cats? Do you leave your keyboard unattended?

 

[geordief]

Works fine for me.

Exploring an alternate hypothesis: do you have cats? Do you leave your keyboard unattended?

Could be gremlibs from an unattended timeline..

 

[PsychoticEpisode]

No cats. In fact I ended up asking AI why and it spit this out:
“In essence, if an AI is repeatedly using "96," it is likely stuck in a probabilistic loop, interpreting that number as the most statistically likely answer based on its training data or the immediate conversation context.”

Because it doesn’t know it’s wrong?

 

[DaveC426913]

BTW, what made you think it's spitting out 96?

As you point out, it started with 99, implying the repeating sequence is actually 69.

(Naughty, naughty AI)

 

[PsychoticEpisode]

BTW, what made you think it's spitting out 96?

As you point out, it started with 99, implying the repeating sequence is actually 69.

(Naughty, naughty AI)

Yah, I thought of that. Maybe AI didn’t want leave everyone out
Urban dictionary:

99​

Used in reference to homosexual sex. A play on the usually heterosexual 69 position, where the numerals represent the position of the sexual partners.

Off topic but when you mentioned cats I thought of Schrödinger’s thought experiment and wondered if all the stuff that crosses the Cosmic Event Horizon boundary is any different? Wasn't thinking that when I asked the question, I was wondering if having one entangled particle in the beyond affected quantum entanglement? Just wanted to know if AI thought that particle was actually still in this universe or existed at all. Should have ask the resident experts that instead of this computer glitch.

 

[DaveC426913]

Off topic but when you mentioned cats I thought of Schrödinger’s thought experiment and wondered if all the stuff that crosses the Cosmic Event Horizon boundary is any different? Wasn't thinking that when I asked the question, I was wondering if having one entangled particle in the beyond affected quantum entanglement? Just wanted to know if AI thought that particle was actually still in this universe or existed at all. Should have ask the resident experts that instead of this computer glitch.

It's not like the CEH is a wall, where two particles can float on opposite sides of it, one inside our universe and one outside.

The speed of light limits the ability to get two entangled particles in a state where one is local (and can thus be measured) and the other is near - let alone beyond - the CEH*.

For example, note that, wherever you are in the universe, you are always at the centre of your own observable* universe. So how can you get that entangled particle to the edge of it? It might have been doable when the universe was tiny, but no longer.

(*I am mixing two things here, for brevity.)

 

[PsychoticEpisode]

It's not like the CEH is a wall, where two particles can float on opposite sides of it, one inside our universe and one outside.

The speed of light limits the ability to get two entangled particles in a state where one is local (and can thus be measured) and the other is near - let alone beyond - the CEH

Well AI then, should be able to access these last couple of posts and give a different answer next time I ask. ( it did)

 

[DaveC426913]

Well AI then, should be able to access these last couple of posts and give a different answer next time I ask. ( it did)

I'm not really interested in trying to have a discussion with a chatbot. It's one-sided: it does not ask, it only answers. I have no questions for it and I don't trust its answers anyway.

 

[gmilam]

For example, note that, wherever you are in the universe, you are always at the centre of your own observable* universe. So how can you get that entangled particle to the edge of it? It might have been doable when the universe was tiny, but no longer.

Wouldn't that be because we are looking back in time? So no matter where you look you are looking back to the same time.

 

[DaveC426913]

I'm not really interested in trying to have a discussion with a chatbot. It's one-sided: it does not ask, it only answers. I have no questions for it and I don't trust its answers anyway.

I should have added: and a chatbot has no questions for me.

 

[DaveC426913]

Wouldn't that be because we are looking back in time? So no matter where you look you are looking back to the same time.

Perhaps, but I'm not sure that clarifies the matter as far as what would happen.

I think the issue is semantical. Nothing would "happen". If we had two entangled particles and we let one of them drift beyond the CEH, what infomation, if any, does the local particle tell us when we measure it?

 

[gmilam]

Perhaps, but I'm not sure that clarifies the matter as far as what would happen.

I think the issue is semantical. Nothing would "happen". If we had two entangled particles and we let one of them drift beyond the CEH, what infomation, if any, does the local particle tell us when we measure it?

It may all be semantics, but I (not a scientist) would question if the CEH even exists. I mean, IF the big bang happened 13 billion years ago - THEN 13 billion light years should be all we are able to see. And that would be looking back at the big bang - no matter which direction we look.

 

[DaveC426913]

It may all be semantics, but I (not a scientist) would question if the CEH even exists. I mean, IF the big bang happened 13 billion years ago - THEN 13 billion light years should be all we are able to see.

Except for the expansion of space, which means it's more like 46Gy away.

(I am not a scientist, BTW.)

And that would be looking back at the big bang - no matter which direction we look.

We do. That's the CMBR.



But it doesn't have to go that far back before we can't see things.

Currently, the universe is expanding and distant objects are slipping over the event horizon. In the (very) distant future, our sky will be more sparsely populated than it is today, as more and more distant galaxy clusters are dragged by expansion outside our observable universe.

That doesn't mean they don't exist, merely that they are causally separated from us. So it should be the same case for two entangled particles.

 

[gmilam]

Except for the expansion of space, which means it's more like 46Gy away.

(I am not a scientist, BTW.)


We do. That's the CMBR.

Which means the light waves have been stretched creating a red shift. Makes sense to me.

This is actually a question/issue that has bothered me since I was a little boy around 8 years old (60 years ago). I remember flying in my spaceship of the imagination and wondering what I would see when I arrived at the "edge" of the universe. My dad told me that I would never reach the edge. That I would eventually wind up back where I started from.

 

[TheVat]

It helps to distinguish the particle horizon from the cosmic event horizon (which is about 1/3 of the PH).

PH is the current limit of the observable universe (roughly 46.1 billion light-years in radius). CEH represents the maximum distance from which light emitted now can ever reach us, due to the accelerating expansion of space.

 

[TheVat]

Which means the light waves have been stretched creating a red shift. Makes sense to me.

This is actually a question/issue that has bothered me since I was a little boy around 8 years old (60 years ago). I remember flying in my spaceship of the imagination and wondering what I would see when I arrived at the "edge" of the universe. My dad told me that I would never reach the edge. That I would eventually wind up back where I started from.

Current evidence is our universe is flat, not a 4D hypersphere. I kinda miss the old hypersphere theory - it made for some cool sci-fi plot points, like the homecoming you described.

 

[DaveC426913]

It helps to distinguish the particle horizon from the cosmic event horizon (which is about 1/3 of the PH).

PH is the current limit of the observable universe (roughly 46.1 billion light-years in radius). CEH represents the maximum distance from which light emitted now can ever reach us, due to the accelerating expansion of space.

Yes. This is what I meant in post 7 by "mixing two things". It's a nuanced topic, outside the scope of a thread ostensibly about chatbots.

 

[gmilam]

Definitely outside the scope of what a chatbot spits out. But what can I say, I have a random access memory. One thought triggers another and before you know it I'm 8 years old again piloting my spaceship of the imagination.

 

[DaveC426913]

Definitely outside the scope of what a chatbot spits out. But what can I say, I have a random access memory. One thought triggers another and before you know it I'm 8 years old again piloting my spaceship of the imagination.

Which is cool. I'm not saying we can't talk about it, just that I'm compressing my answers as if this is a sidebar.