4th dimension is extension of 3rd dimension. A world within worlds

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by akabrutus, May 2, 2020.

  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    OK, so you are proposing that the universe is infinitely old and has always existed in physical form as we experience it today. After all, we have based our human mathematics on Universal values and functions.
    Except at Planck scale, where physics no longer apply, because things that small are no longer physical patterns (matter), but abstract dynamical values. Read up on CDT (Causal Dynamical Triangulation)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_dynamical_triangulation

    Quantum Gravity from Causal Dynamical Triangulations: A Review , R. Loll, [Submitted on 21 May 2019]
    https://arxiv.org/abs/1905.08669
     
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  3. river

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    So then nothing was actually something in the first place .
     
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  5. river

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    Then I disagree

    Where do these abstract dynamical values come from ? From the physical .

    What of before the patterns .
     
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  7. river

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    All forms of energy and matter have existed for infinity , from Galactic Cores to Quasars and to extreme cold , absolute zero . The Universe recycles .
     
  8. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    I have got that for a long time river, and been trying to educate you along with Dave, who apparently has now given up hope.
    Yep, you keep saying that despite the evidence to the contrary.
    But yep you do have the right to say what you like, just a shame you cannot see how ignorant some of the things you say, make you look.

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  9. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    You don't seem to understand, we are only speculating?
    But yeah, as Krauss eloquently details, the quantum foam is the something that needs to be seen as nothing. Nice to see you accept that from me after all this time.
    Far better then your speculaitve hodge podge confusing, contradiactory answers river, don't you think?
     
  10. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Evidence? Links supporting that? References? Or simply more gum flapping?
     
  11. river

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    Evidenced because the Universe still exists . Hence the physical is what gives existence to our existence .
     
  12. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Sides step...gobblygook nonsense.
     
  13. river

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    Not really pad .
     
  14. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    You have no link, no reference, no nothing, except river's say so. Your thoughts in being able to express your nonsense when you feel like.
    Bye river, I do have a life...sorry about yours.
     
  15. river

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    Well I'm fairly rational . Obviously .
     
  16. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Yes

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    that's why you are banned from the sciences.

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  17. river

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    No doubt .
     
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  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I believe that the earliest "something " (the beginning ) was not material or physical in nature.
    There existed a condition comprising of immaterial fields, from which material things emerge.

    The earliest known Universal condition is the formation of dynamic "fields", quantum fields which are collections of immaterial value which may combine to form Atoms, the fundamental patterned particles (table of elements) on which all matter rests.

    But sub-atomic particles are not considered matter, because they have no mass of themselves, but are instrumental in the accumulation of mass.

    Are photons considered 'matter'?

    How can light be matter or not?
    Question Date: 2013-04-24

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    AFAIK, Energy is not Matter, although both have the potential to become manifest in either form depending on the dynamical mathematical action involved.
     
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  20. river

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    Light Energy is FROM Matter , Write4U . That's what your missing here .

    All light sources are physically based . Galactic Core , Stars etc. , give off Electromagnetic Energy . Without a Physical Thing there is No light . And there is No Electromagnetic Energy ; At any wave length .

    So Electromagnetic Energy is a Form of Energy given off by by a Physical Object .

    In Quantum there is always a particle and a wave ( in no particular order of order ) in order for something to exist . Nothing has neither Quantum Properties .
     
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  21. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, but where did all that physical stuff come from?
    Yes, but a quantum event is a physical event based on prior causal non-matter dynamics. You cannot start with irreducible complexity when explaining origins.

    AFAIK, all indications suggest that the universe started as a formless chaos, a "permittive conditions", which mathematically self-ordered into various mathematical patterns from which orderly complexity emerged over time.

    Patterns within patterns, within patterns, within patterns, within patterns = irreducible complexity.
     
  22. river

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    You mean where did Galaxies , Quasars come from ?
     
  23. river

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    Then the indications lack depth . The indications then are wrong .

    Your not going deep enough Write4U . Your just understanding the patterns . NOT understanding the underlying reasons why the patterns exist in the first place .
     
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