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Ah. So you were using the phrase 'make a statistic out of' sarcastically?
Quotes come in handy when attempting to do so. One must keep in mind the limitations of this medium.
So.
Do you really think that it's a good idea to take Mexico's problems onto our own backs?
Why?
I don't see anything wrong with the hispanic (thanks for the term, by the way, funny how simple terms escape one at times... latin and latino wasn't working for me, but hispanic never occurred...) race as a whole, but I do see HUGE problems with the country of Mexico in particular.
Quotes come in handy when attempting to do so. One must keep in mind the limitations of this medium.
So.
Do you really think that it's a good idea to take Mexico's problems onto our own backs?
Why?
I don't see anything wrong with the hispanic (thanks for the term, by the way, funny how simple terms escape one at times... latin and latino wasn't working for me, but hispanic never occurred...) race as a whole, but I do see HUGE problems with the country of Mexico in particular.
I'm an ass at these discussions, aren't I? But I would like to address the fact that while America may not be able to help Mexico as a country, we can help its citizens. Whose to say that they all immigrate here to steal our jobs and what have you? Why can't we accept the fact they are here for opportunity and/or escape from the problems Mexico faces (as mentioned by nexus). Tell you the truth, I wouldn't want to sweat my ass out there in scorching temperatures picking cucumbers and corn. I'm glad some Hispanic is doing that work instead. The only thing I can't agree on is that they do come over illegally. I don't consider annexing Mexico a solution, rather, embracing the Hispanics that live and come to the US (except for the drug cartels and fugitives 
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I'm not latino. Brazilians are not latinos.invert_nexus said:
Stereotype?android said:
What can you do if you are raised in a culture where individualism and self-sacrifice coexist...?
I can't see how can an american not be those things that I mentioned because their culture makes them that way. It's a largely possessive and competitive culture. Psychologically, those things are very damaging to people...
Hmm.
That's interesting.
So. Because Brazilians are of Portugeuse rather than Spanish descent, you don't consider yourself latino? Or part of Latin America?
I say you are. I think you only see yourself as not latino because of a sort of... elitism... or... rather a form of inferiority complex inherent in the portugeuse psyche. As if you were sooo different because your language isn't identical to Spanish... only almost identical.
I never knew that Brazilians held themselves apart from Latin America. Now that I've heard, I'm not surprised. I still think you're wrong though.
There is no 'American culture'.
That's interesting.
So. Because Brazilians are of Portugeuse rather than Spanish descent, you don't consider yourself latino? Or part of Latin America?
I say you are. I think you only see yourself as not latino because of a sort of... elitism... or... rather a form of inferiority complex inherent in the portugeuse psyche. As if you were sooo different because your language isn't identical to Spanish... only almost identical.
I never knew that Brazilians held themselves apart from Latin America. Now that I've heard, I'm not surprised. I still think you're wrong though.
There is no 'American culture'.
It's not just that. We have a fairly different genetic mix. Latinos are closer to hispanics. Brazilian genes are a mix of various european genes, african genes and native genes. That's not exactly latino...invert_nexus said:
Wow. You go from "elitism" to "inferiority complex". You really know what you are talking about, don't you?
Language is not the only thing. Culture and genetic mix is also very important things to be taken into consideration.
You can think whatever you want. Geographically, we are very close, but culturally, we are not that close...
Ha! That's hilarious! There's no "american culture" but there is an "american dream"! How can that ever be possible, can you tell me!?
And pretty much the entire population believe little children are completely retarded... :bugeye:lybogany said:
And that's so different from the rest of the latin American countries how?
You do realize that the brown color of the latino's skin is derived from mixing with the natives... didn't you? Sure. Spaniards are a bit swarthier than an Englishman. But not that much.
And. As to the black element. Whatever. Maybe it's not a predominant part of all latin American countries, it is part of several. And it sure as hell doesn't exempt them from being 'latino'.
I view the term 'latino' to mostly be a reference to language. Derived from latin. And. Yes. Most European languages, English included, are derived from Latin. But, Spanish and Portugeuse is more so.
Ah. Should have remembered who I was talking to. You don't understand that 'elitism' is usually a direct result of an inferiority complex.
So. In that case. Allow me to be the first to tell you about a thing called 'compensation'. A scrawny little geek gets sand kicked in his face at the beach. Gets his underwear wedged into the crack of his ass by the 'cool kids'. And so he cultivates an air of elitism. An air of pride in how 'different' he is to all those 'cretins'. He tells himself that they're all common and he's something special. And they hate him for being special.
Do you understand now?
This is true. But, in that case then who are the 'latinos'? All latin American countries have a different mix of genes and culture. This is inevitable.
There are elements of your culture that are similar. And some that are dissimilar.
Simple.
There is no 'American Dream'.
Trying to ressurect that old argument?
Note. No one ever said that children are retarded. They merely said that babies are not capable of abstract thought. That they must wait for their brains to develop for them to approach adult levels of thinking.
Retarded implies that the babies are developmentally lagging behind where they should be.
They're not.
They're exactly where they're supposed to be.
Why do you attach such a negative connotation to it?
I suppose when your little baby comes out you're going to start reasoning with it on the first day? Sharing all your interesting theories of the world with?
Ha!
Lybogany,
You're speaking about Americans?
At least you say "nearly most" which says that you realize that there is no general consensus in how the American people as a whole are raised. This is my point in saying that there is no American culture. Rather, there is a mishmash of other cultures. Which is only right seeing as how we're the 'melting pot' and all.
This ties into the topic to show that a hispanic dominance will not change the country that much. It will still be a mishmash.
And. How about if I said that a commonly held belief among latinos is that the woman is inferior to the male? That a daughter is of less value than a son?
(Note: I also am not saying that there is an overall latino 'culture'. But, they are more unified than American culture.)
I don't give a damn what ethnic group is dominant in the US. They could be green for all I care.
I do think we will need to redouble our efforts to promote cultural assimilation though so we get a melting pot effect, not an all-out takeover. Should be doable.
I do think we will need to redouble our efforts to promote cultural assimilation though so we get a melting pot effect, not an all-out takeover. Should be doable.
Fraggle Rocker
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Every national group that's ever come to America (voluntarily) has assimiliated. At one time or another Americans were worried about the Irish problem or the German problem or the Italian problem. Today you'd have to go to one of our biggest cities to even find a "community" of people who maintain their Irish, German, or Italian roots more than one day a year.
The same thing will happen with Latinos. And you know what? It will happen faster. Latinos have the highest rate of intermarriage with other Americans of any major ethnic group. By the time that last generation of immigrants arrives in 2050 to tip the scales, half the children of the previous generation who arrived in 2030 will have married out of the community, and virtually ALL of the grandchildren of the earlier generation that is arriving now will have done so.
We and our Latino friends and neighbors seem to get along spectacularly well, considering how content we are to MARRY each other! I wouldn't worry about it at all.
The same thing will happen with Latinos. And you know what? It will happen faster. Latinos have the highest rate of intermarriage with other Americans of any major ethnic group. By the time that last generation of immigrants arrives in 2050 to tip the scales, half the children of the previous generation who arrived in 2030 will have married out of the community, and virtually ALL of the grandchildren of the earlier generation that is arriving now will have done so.
We and our Latino friends and neighbors seem to get along spectacularly well, considering how content we are to MARRY each other! I wouldn't worry about it at all.
invert, I totally understand your point of view. However, what constitutes a "race", as you may call, is not only the genetic composition but also a cultural, linguistical, hystoric and so on. In this sense, there is separation between "brazilians" and "latinos"...invert_nexus said:
Huuumm... that's an interesting thought....
I can see what you mean. But there is no "elitism" here- as you can see, there's an obvious logical difference between "latinos" and "brazilians".
That has nothing to do with inferiority complex. Go read Adler, please...
No. Their cultures and their genes are very similar- similar enough to be labelled as "latinos". The same does not apply to brazilians- the language is by far a good part of the reason, as it is an expression of the culture.
Yes, but they are dissimlar enough to be another culture. It's like the difference between species. If you have enough differences, you have separate species.
Yeah, right? So that was a dream, right?
I must be hallucinating...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Dream
which argument?
yes. They weren't that explicit...
I'm not talking about babies, I'm talking about children. I'm talking about the old excuse of saying that people are incapable in order to enslave them.
Have you noticed an interesting increase in children with "disabilities" such as ADD (which in fact is rarely a "disability")?
I don't attach a negative connotation, I expose it.
Well, I would share the world, yes. And even some thoughts. But I won't expect the baby to reason, of course.
Except for killing many that try to enter the country.......Fraggle Rocker said:
android said:
Clearly, your type will be either gone, or assimilated.
Fraggle Rocker said:
Those are two different problems.
The "German problem" was a political concern during war with Germany.
The Italian, Irish and Slavic problem (1840-1920) was primarily a genetic concern, as many at the time considered those populations to lag behind Northern Europeans.
Among those who read history, many still do.
