Dinosaur: “People do love conspiracy theories.”
This is a totally specious argument. If you are claiming that those who find the continued and growing reports of repeated and repeatable evidence of cold fusion, the great number of well credentialed researchers who attest to observing this phenomenon in their own laboratories, are only conspiracy theorists then you are saying that these individuals are conspiring to defraud the scientific community and the public. Appears that your stance requires more conspiring tricksters than the couple of handful of people in the right place that were required to get the ball rolling on suppressing the cold fusion claims. Once the ball is rolling all you need are sheep to keep it going. In short, you are the conspiracy nut here.
Dinosaur “40-50 years ago a story started about a carburetor which enabled an otherwise standard car to get 100 miles per gallon of gas. It was alleged to have been suppressed by the oil industry. Of course, the inventor who developed it in his basement workshop took it to Standard Oil or Shell instead of trying to sell it to GM, Ford, or Chrysler. I guess inventors do not know much about marketing. Perhaps he went to GM first and was told they were not interested, and they suggested he go to Standard Oil.”
You are speaking oranges to apples. I see on the web there is much fodder to defend this red herring straw man argument of yours. In my eyes if you must change the subject to something you can argue than you just look like a fool, Dino.
Dinosaur: “Somebody posted a suggestion that we should follow the money, implying that there is money to be made by suppressing Cold Fusion and advancing the cause of fusion based on hydrogen bomb & magnetic containment fusion.”
“Somebody” Dino? Come on. When you got a fact right there in front of you, why not use it? Are you just seeking to intimidate? If you can’t dig for the facts even when they are right there in front of you how can I begin to trust anything you say? 246.9 million dollars for fiscal year 2003 according to the article here:
http://www.aip.org/enews/fyi/2003/040.html
Dinosaur: “You might think about how a hack scientist can make money. He cannot compete with the intellectual giants like Hawking, Feynman, Penrose, et cetera. He has a fair chance of conning some government bureaucrat or academic administrator into financing pseudo science.”
There you go with your conspiracy theories and yet you infer that your perspective is not fraught with conspiracy theory and only those who do not “believe” as you? Who are these “hack scientists?” I count at least one hundred and nine on this page alone,
http://www.lenr-canr.org/LibFrame1.html Seems to be a lot of hard earned credentials amongst them. These universities and schools and government institutions that have credentialed them and then go about supporting their research must be awful easy to conspire against according to your theory. If that is the case, then why not consider that the conspiracy is more of a top down affair, the fools within some of these institutions that you find so gullible, why not consider the possibility that some of them conspire against cold fusion? You certainly seem to have a poor opinion of their ability to judge meritorious efforts.
Dinosaur: “If it worked, over 70 years of quantum and nuclear physics would have to be incredibly wrong. Many nuclear and quantum processes would not function at all or would not function as it is known that they do.”
Again you are saying that if the evidence does not fit the theory then it must be “a joke.” Where is the scientific method to your madness? The evidence keeps piling up and only such staunch dogmatic denial as yours will keep those current mainstream theories uncorrected.
Dinosaur: “Do you believers really think that valid scientific knowledge can be suppressed? Do you think the intellectual giants of nuclear & quantum physics are idiots?”
Who are the believers you refer to here? Why don’t you use my handle? Has anyone else here expressed being a “believer?” That second sentence is again, red herring, straw man. Have you stopped beating your wife? (Please moderator and anyone else, realize that I’m not claiming that Dinosaur beats his wife only that this claiming that a person who considers people ill informed must consider them as idiots is just as bizarre as the “beating your wife” spin.)
Dinosaur: “Dictatorships have goofy policies counter to good science, but democracies only have bureaucratic red tape and the resources to finance nonsense.” … “Western democracies do not have this type of power.”
Oh, I see. Your beliefs are showing. Common belief to consider one’s own country, with the largest per capita incarceration rate on the planet, as a democracy. You are obviously quite naïve but then, one should expect to see such in an open forum. These forums cater to the ill informed. There is very little peer matching going on in these things. Moderators have repeatedly not enjoyed my opinion that online forums are basically anarchistic in nature. Who wants to believe they have invested a great deal of time and energy into something that is basically dysfunctional?
Dinosaur: “Arthur C. Clark, Asimov, or some other SciFi author wrote a novel with a description of a fission bomb which had a good estimate of the critical mass for U235”
Now don’t go and invoke Arthur C. Clarke as knowledgeable, he endorses cold fusion. That does not help your heart felt cause.
Dinosaur: “Valid science just does not get suppressed.”
Pretty extreme statement. I wonder why I should bother to try to reason with someone who must make categorically false statements. Oh, well, any one who is reading this, do your own research. Don’t trust me. Don’t trust Dinosaur. Don’t trust the powers that be. I hope I have given you all some links to investigate on your own. Probably the best stance is to not take a firm stance, keep an open mind.
Or not.
