“We call y’all Blue MAGA”. Tensions between socialists and Democrats growing into “a real problem”? Nah...

Democrats like AOC are trying to shrug off their ‘woke’ era. That’s bad for our politics
https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/10/politics/aoc-woke-democrats

EXCERPTS: Democrats would very much like to figure out how to explain away some of the far-left things they said circa 2019 and 2020 — a period often referred to as “peak woke,” “woke 1.0” or “woke 1.”

[...] Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Sunday offered a prescription: Laugh it off. “I have a local city councilman that has this saying: ‘Woke 1 was crazy,’” the New York congresswoman said on ABC’s “This Week,” before laughing. ... she said that it’s “not rhetoric that we would use today.”

This might be a politically deft explanation for Ocasio-Cortez and her ilk. But it’s a bad one for the body politic. It continues a troubling trend of major politicians asking Americans not to take the things they say — or more specifically, that they once said — at face value. It’s a perfect recipe for a continued decline in honesty and accountability.

[...] The same week, former Biden White House aide Yemisi Egbewole credited Texas Senate candidate James Talarico for distancing himself from his past woke comments. “Peak woke got weird. It’s okay to say that!” Egbewole said.

And this weekend, perhaps the one 2026 Democratic candidate with the biggest “peak woke” problem echoed Ocasio-Cortez’s comment.

Francesca Hong is the favorite in Tuesday’s Wisconsin gubernatorial primary, but her past statements about abolishing police and canceling Thanksgiving, among others, have a lot of Democrats freaked out about her potential nomination... (MORE - details)
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While most of that stuff and far more radical material actually is espoused somewhere in DSA literature (and the Red Star Caucus sub-unit especially) -- and that's also why the above are receiving criticism for their comments from those who do take "Woke 1" seriously... It was Trump who introduced the trend of openly making extreme declarations.

Prior to the 2016 election, Trump repeatedly made asinine (but calculated) statements to provoke moral responses from Hillary Clinton. So that when the working class turned on the evening news, what they saw was constant clips of Hillary nobly defending LGBT+, unauthorized migrants, Muslims, etc. To the exclusion of anything addressing the concerns in "flyover country". (Not that she didn't speak to the latter, but those Zzzz items were not the kind of video-audio bites that networks wanted to harvest and highlight.)

During 2024, a similar strategy applied to Kamala Harris, but there was also other fertile territory to tap. And that time Trump handed most of the surgical work over to others in his campaign (that Musk was a big part of).

The priority and zeal that the Democratic Party gives to maintaining its image of being the "ethical organization" of the two can border almost on blind arrogance at times. In the sense of it biting so often on Trump and GOP bait like that in the past. One hurdle might be that it's difficult to acknowledge that such inferior "bastards, fascists" have manipulative subtlety to their blatant overtures. Improving discipline in not reacting self-righteously to every Trump/GOP bizz and fizz cannot be much improved if that is not discerned, admitted, and circulated.

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Poverty is better now than it was in the 50s and 60s. No one knew about a wage gap or cared back then either. It is good for getting everyone all riled up though, apparently. Back then if they wanted to get everyone riled up they would either race bait or communist bait, I guess.
 
There was also a time when women had no vote, weren't allowed bank accounts, or own property, etc. No one really cared back then... at least until they did. But it was good for getting people all riled up, though, apparently. ;)

I mean, if you want to hark back to the 50s and 60s because noone cared for a particular issue back then, then feel free to dump modern technology and all it's benefits in the toilet, and every other advance, social or otherwise, since then. Attitudes move on. Societal norms change. What was once acceptable might now be considered unjust, unequal, unfair.
But, hey, as long as you think it was okay in the 50s and 60s, it must be just fussing over nothing now, right.

And, yes, poverty may have been worse in the past. Does that mean it's no longer an issue? The fact that poverty in the US has improved since the 50s and 60s shows that your country is at least capable of addressing it when it wants to. That the richest country on the planet seems to want to rest on its laurels, at least whenever the Republicans are in power, speaks volumes. I'm not saying the Dems have the answer, or that simply throwing more money at welfare programs is, but it's disappointing that the richest country on the planet still has so many people in poverty, and deep poverty.

Your argument harking back to the 50s/60s is self-serving, and not to mention a serious dose of cherry-picking.
 
There was also a time when women had no vote, weren't allowed bank accounts, or own property, etc. No one really cared back then... at least until they did. But it was good for getting people all riled up, though, apparently. ;)

I mean, if you want to hark back to the 50s and 60s because noone cared for a particular issue back then, then feel free to dump modern technology and all it's benefits in the toilet, and every other advance, social or otherwise, since then. Attitudes move on. Societal norms change. What was once acceptable might now be considered unjust, unequal, unfair.
But, hey, as long as you think it was okay in the 50s and 60s, it must be just fussing over nothing now, right.

And, yes, poverty may have been worse in the past. Does that mean it's no longer an issue? The fact that poverty in the US has improved since the 50s and 60s shows that your country is at least capable of addressing it when it wants to. That the richest country on the planet seems to want to rest on its laurels, at least whenever the Republicans are in power, speaks volumes. I'm not saying the Dems have the answer, or that simply throwing more money at welfare programs is, but it's disappointing that the richest country on the planet still has so many people in poverty, and deep poverty.

Your argument harking back to the 50s/60s is self-serving, and not to mention a serious dose of cherry-picking.
Cherry picking would be to go back to a time when apparently one guy out of high school could buy a house and support a family on any job. If we can't do that now, we might as well start another "French Revolution", right?

Are you finished with your moralizing?
 
Cherry picking would be to go back to a time when apparently one guy out of high school could buy a house and support a family on any job. If we can't do that now, we might as well start another "French Revolution", right?
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Giving another example of cherry-picking does not rebut your own.
Are you finished with your moralizing?
Ah, yes. To disagree with a position or argument is moralising. I merely pointed out that your argument, along the lines of "hey, it was okay in the 50s and 60s, so what's the problem!" is dumb.
 
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Giving another example of cherry-picking does not rebut your own.
Ah, yes. To disagree with a position or argument is moralising. I merely pointed out that your argument, along the lines of "hey, it was okay in the 50s and 60s, so what's the problem!" is dumb.
It's not "dumb" when the subject matter is envy and jealousy.
 
It's not "dumb" when the subject matter is envy and jealousy.
Yeah, it really is. It completely ignores pretty much the entire reality of your country's society, both now and back then. Your argument is so dumb that it actually advocates for reduced inequality, for reduced consumerism, reduced wealth, reduced economic power, as well as increases in poverty. I mean, that's the 50s/60s you're exampling, right? And, hey, if you remove inequality entirely then noone will think it an issue - except of course those who think they are entitled to more - or had more and now don't etc. What are you? A Communist??? ;)
So, yeah. Dumb argument, at least in the context and purpose you put it to.
 
Even though what is actually meant is "super-progressive", it's clear that "progressive" has been successfully appropriated by the DSA and its sympathizers. Now it refers to a DemSoc identity or socialist sentiments in that area rather than one who advocates socioeconomic reform in more than just a temporary capitalist context. The traditional user of that category is henceforth faced with a future of still doing so at their own risk (in certain circles, anyway).
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Bernie Sanders has a response for progressives upset over Hong’s loss in Wisconsin (excerpt): Democratic socialist Francesca Hong lost by less than 4,000 votes in Wisconsin’s gubernatorial primary, an outcome several high-profile progressives are blaming on Sanders and other top national progressive leaders for staying out of the race. Some said his endorsement alone could have helped bring in badly needed resources for Hong. Others said the Vermont senator has a responsibility to play widely across the battle map.

[...] “My response is that we have limited resources and capabilities, and there are a lot of really great candidates who have run for office who we have not endorsed,” Sanders told POLITICO on Wednesday.

“We can’t endorse every single candidate,” he added. “So, you know, we have to pick and choose and I think that Hong ran a very, very great, and very strong, grassroots campaign, got a lot of people involved and I applaud her for that.”
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(2WAY) “She completely collapsed under her own weight”: Socialist Francesca Hong’s Wisconsin downfall

VIDEO EXCERPTS: We've deal dealt with issues before where candidates have said one thing years ago and now they've changed their position on it. You can't win if you can't articulate the reasons for those alterations. And that is the big difference between Hong and El-Sayed. He is going to be successful in Michigan because he is an expert communicator and political athlete. Hong was not.

And I think that when Bernie Sanders and AOC efused to endorse her, that sent a message to a lot of progressives in Wisconsin that, hey, she's not with us. We don't think she can win. Democrats need to win Wisconsin, especially when you've got a guy on the Republican side who voted against the 2020 confirmation of the election even after the capital was attacked. And still to his day is an election denier. You don't want that person in charge of certifying the election in 2028.

Okay, this is going to be a spirited race for governor. I think you're right, Chris, that if Sanders had endorsed her and worked for her, she probably would have won. She had a lot of money spent against her. The establishment, including the governor, was going hard against her.

[...] But Francesca Hong was able to draw immense turnout and she was able to do this without any national and local endorsements. [...] The fact that this campaign was able to bring this much turnout is incredible...

 
Bizarre news from Alaska. Is this some kind of attempt to sabotage any viable candidate running against the GOP incumbent?? Or does it relate in some convoluted way to this thread, with Democrats fighting each other? The felon/candidate is distantly related to my wife - thanks to reproductively prolific great-grandparents, the Dakotas are full of Hafners.


JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) — A man who is serving time in a federal prison in New York advanced on Wednesday from the primary for Alaska’s lone U.S. House seat.

Eric Hafner, a registered Democrat, also ran for the seat in 2024 and secured a spot on the general election ballot that November despite a challenge brought by the Alaska Democratic Party.

Hafner pleaded guilty in 2022 to charges of making threats against police officers, judges and others. He is set to be released in 2036.

The leading candidates in the race are the incumbent, Republican Rep. Nick Begich, and independent Bill Hill, a commercial fisherman and retired educator.

Hafner’s success in the primary as one of the candidates moving on to the general election is almost certain to draw another legal challenge because the U.S. Constitution requires candidates to live in the state they will represent at the time of the election.

In the candidate information he filed with the state, he listed the same Box Elder, South Dakota, mailing address and New York phone number as his mother, Carol Hafner. Neither has any apparent ties to Alaska.

Carol Hafner also is a failed prior candidate and ran again this year, this time in the state’s U.S. Senate primary.

Under Alaska’s election system, the top four primary finishers advance to the general election regardless of party affiliation. Eric Hafner had received 5,757 votes after 93% of ballots had been counted. That was far behind the third-place candidate, Democrat Matt Schultz. But Schultz withdrew from the general election and was ineligible to advance.

It remained too early to call the fourth-place finisher.

 
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Bizarre news from Alaska. Is this some kind of attempt to sabotage any viable candidate running against the GOP incumbent?? Or does it relate in some convoluted way to this thread, with Democrats fighting each other? The felon/candidate is distantly related to my wife - thanks to reproductively prolific great-grandparents, the Dakotas are full of Hafners.

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Hafner even ran as a Republican in Hawaii. So though there is no apparent history with the DSA, I guess he's still the "complicated" type of candidate that now spurs apprehension among party moderates (since Platner). Supported drug legalization and criminal justice reform as a teen (claiming that also led to arrest). And then the 2019 threats to kill officials that plopped him in the current prison status.

While there are GOP elements that rejoice at having controversial Democrat candidates to run against, others pragmatically don't want to take chances (much like the Dem centrists in these situations). I like the beard, though that probably doesn't help with any bogus DSA jitters among the moderates (if such pertains at all).

Carol and Eric Hafner
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carol_and_Eric_Hafner
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Hmm. What an era of unorthodox tactics. Albeit they've all been deployed at one time or another in the past.
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Shadowy group looks to boost New York felon in Alaska’s U.S. House race
https://www.adn.com/politics/2026/0...oost-new-york-felon-in-alaskas-us-house-race/

EXCERPTS: In a race that pits Republican incumbent Rep. Nick Begich against well-funded independent challenger Bill Hill, a shadowy group is boosting Democrat Eric Hafner, a federal inmate and perennial candidate who is again running for Alaska’s lone U.S. House seat while serving a 20-year prison sentence in New York. [...] In 2024, the National Republican Congressional Committee sought to boost Hafner, in a strategy intended to strengthen Begich.

[...] A similar strategy is being used to boost candidates that could weaken Begich. A political action committee called Cornerstone Founders PAC, which has yet to disclose its backers, reported this week spending $463,000 on targeted ads promoting Clay Strickland, a Republican, and Jim McDermott, a Libertarian. The spending follows a blueprint laid out in Alaska’s high-stakes U.S. Senate race, where independent groups are spending millions on fringe candidates that could draw votes from the leading contenders.
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From the bio you linked:

Hafner was untroubled by the fact he had never been to Alaska, and observed that being a convicted felon should also not be a hindrance since another convicted felon, Donald Trump, was the current Republican presidential nominee. As for the requirement that he move to Alaska if elected, which might seem to be difficult to achieve since he was not scheduled for parole until 2036, and there were no US federal prisons in Alaska, Hafner said that if he won, he would expect to be released immediately as an extraordinary circumstance under compassionate release law, so would be able to move then.

LoL. It is impossible for me to rule out his being a sort of edgier US version of Count Binface, though some of his CV suggests more genuine mental health issues than Jon Harvey.
 
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In a race that pits Republican incumbent Rep. Nick Begich against well-funded independent challenger Bill Hill, a shadowy group is boosting Democrat Eric Hafner, a federal inmate and perennial candidate
And it's easy to imagine some GOP op visiting Hafner in prison and offering him a waiting pile of cash when he gets out (perhaps held in trust by his mother). There's lots of money being scattered around in this race.
 
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