Religion and women.

[Sarkus]

That is your understanding of it.

It is also the understanding of pretty much every theist I have ever met, from many religions. The exception, to date, is you. All others have God as being neither male nor female, and "He" as merely a convention.

You are an atheist, a person for whom there is no God.

And that is an ad hominem argument.

I doubt anyone who believes in God, strives for a pronoun to refer to Him.

Excuse the literary exaggeration, but the point still stands as one you have yet to put a counter to.

I think it’s more a case of “whatever floats your boat”.

I'm not the one retrofitting belief to fit the conventional pronoun.

All people who believe in a Personsl God believe God is Male, because God is Male.

Nonsense. Of other believers that I know, it is a nice round 100% that believe God is neither male nor female. The monastic order that ran the school I went to didn't believe God to be male. The priests at all the churches I attended didn't believe it. None of my relatives, none of my friends from various religious faiths. None.
In fact, the only person I have ever come across that has said that God is male is you.
To quote Archbishop Justin Welby on the matter: "God is not male or female. God is not definable."

No.
We all instinctively know God is Male.

Utter garbage. But this particular belief of yours does possibly explain your misogyny.
I know you like to throw around the claim that your beliefs are instinctive knowledge, and no doubt you have been taught that by those you place trust in, but you do nothing to justify such claims, and simply rely on them to stand on their own. Alas, they don't, other than in your own head.

There are those that may want to appease current ridiculous ideologies, but they are easily swayed by the seeming majority.

So you've gone through the gamut of logical fallacies, from ad hominem, to arguments from confidence, and now to appeals to authority. Any time you want to put in an actual argument, feel free.

Eventually they will either forget God and step toward atheism, or they will regain their intelligence.

Ah, yes, the first step to atheism is to not believe that God is male. Oh, how I pity the Pope on his road to inevitable atheism.

God is Male.
Even Jesus refers to God as his Father.

That was the relationship (paternal) he was referring to, not the gender of God per se.
As it says in Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." i.e. God created Man, both male and female, in his image. i.e. God is either both, or neither (neither in that Man is in the image of God, and the gender of male and female are addition specific to his creations, not to God).
Even the Hebrew name Yahweh is a mix of the feminine and masculine.

But no, Jan has spoken: we all know instinctively that God is male. Case closed!

 

[Sarkus]

I now fully expect Jan to create an argument about the difference between "God is Male" and "God is male".

 

[Seattle]

Is maleness a “human characteristic”?

"Maleness" is a characteristic of a living being. Any concept of God would be that of a "spirit" and not of a being hidden somewhere.

 

[Seattle]

I now fully expect Jan to create an argument about the difference between "God is Male" and "God is male".

Or what you mean by Male? What do you mean by God? What do you mean by "is"?

 

[wegs]

"Maleness" is a characteristic of a living being. Any concept of God would be that of a "spirit" and not of a being hidden somewhere.

Unfortunately, if you’ve been following this thread, Jan is looking for his sexist/misogynistic value system to be supported by God, who in his mind, created men to be superior to women.

And while I’m a believer, unless (in Jan’s mind) I believe that God created men to be superior to women as well, I’m not a faithful believer. I’m done discussing the topic with him because I’m dizzy from being on the merry-go-round and he doesn’t care about truth as he pretends. He cares about looking superior to me (and others)

 

[billvon]

Is maleness a “human characteristic”?

How you know Jan is losing the argument:

He starts trying to redefine words.

 

[Jan Ardena]

It is also the understanding of pretty much every theist I have ever met, from many religions.

Every theist I ever met understands God to be male. There is no reason to think otherwise (for theists)

And that is an ad hominem argument.

Pardon me, so thought you were an atheist .

Excuse the literary exaggeration, but the point still stands as one you have yet to put a counter to.

I’m aware of the exaggeration.
My point still applies.

I'm not the one retrofitting belief to fit the conventional pronoun.

I don’t know what that means.
But God is Male.

Nonsense. Of other believers that I know, it is a nice round 100% that believe God is neither male nor female.

Same percentage for me that God is Male.

The monastic order that ran the school I went to didn't believe God to be male. The priests at all the churches I attended didn't believe it. None of my relatives, none of my friends from various religious faiths. None.
In fact, the only person I have ever come across that has said that God is male is you.

Now you’re just lying

To quote Archbishop Justin Welby on the matter: "God is not male or female. God is not definable."

He’s talking rubbish.
If he accepts the Bible, he accepts God is Male.
If he accepts Jesus Christ, he accepts God is Male.
Otherwise he should change his career, instead of teaching such rubbish

But this particular belief of yours does possibly explain your misogyny.

This will be interesting
How do?

and no doubt you have been taught that by those you place trust in, but you do nothing to justify such claims, and simply rely on them to stand on their own. Alas, they don't, other than in your own head.

Pull yourself together and stop babbling

So you've gone through the gamut of logical fallacies, from ad hominem, to arguments from confidence, and now to appeals to authority. Any time you want to put in an actual argument, feel free.

What are you banging on about?

Ah, yes, the first step to atheism is to not believe that God is male. Oh, how I pity the Pope on his road to inevitable atheism.

No you don’t.
Stop wasting time

That was the relationship (paternal) he was referring to, not the gender of God per se.

Father - a man in relation to his child or children.

God is either both, or neither

God is Male.
It’s not the image of a man that makes him Male.

But no, Jan has spoken: we all know instinctively that God is male. Case closed!

Good lad

 

[Jan Ardena]

Unfortunately, if you’ve been following this thread, Jan is looking for his sexist/misogynistic value system to be supported by God, who in his mind, created men to be superior to women.

Wow!
You are just relentless?
This is beginning to sound like you have a serious problem against masculine men.
Am I right?

And while I’m a believer, unless (in Jan’s mind) I believe that God created men to be superior to women as well, I’m not a faithful believer. I’m done discussing the topic with him because I’m dizzy from being on the merry-go-round and he doesn’t care about truth as he pretends. He cares about looking superior to me (and others)

Typical emotional response.
It’s a pity you don’t want to talk anymore, we could have tried to help you overcome your problem

 

[Jan Ardena]

How you know bilvon is losing the argument:

Losing is his constitutional position on account of excessive emotional input.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Or what you mean by Male? What do you mean by God? What do you mean by "is"?

Male - type of energy.
Is - the embodiment of
God- The Origin of Everything

 

[Dicart]

Even God believers know that God is neither He nor She, that God is beyond such classification. But when needing to use one, the masculine is typically adopted, based on historical use. To say that God is male, or that God is female, is, frankly, laughable.

I agree.
I am theist.

 

[wegs]

Wow!
You are just relentless?
This is beginning to sound like you have a serious problem against masculine men.
Am I right?

Typical emotional response.
It’s a pity you don’t want to talk anymore, we could have tried to help you overcome your problem

I know many masculine men who aren’t misogynists. You believe that misogyny is interchangeable with masculinity. It’s you that has the problem, dude. In a way though, I’m glad you posted this because it shows that you believe misogyny is synonymous with masculinity. Good luck with that

Jesus was male, but not a misogynist.

 

[Jan Ardena]

I know many masculine men who aren’t misogynists.

I bet you do

You believe that misogyny is interchangeable with masculinity.

Don’t tell me what I believe.

It’s you that has the problem, dude.

I don’t falsely accuse people of things.
That is what you do, and therefore you have the problem.

In a way though, I’m glad you posted this because it shows that you believe misogyny is synonymous with masculinity. Good luck with that

I’ve given your problem, a new cover.
Okay.
Oh by the way you didn’t respond to p1236.
In response to another false accusation you made, or maybe not. Depends on your answer

 

[Jan Ardena]

Jesus was male, but not a misogynist.

Missed this little nugget.
He must have been, he agrees with his Father God. Anyone who agrees with God must be a misogynist. at least according to James whom you agree with, who thinks the Bible is a sexist book written by sexist men

 

[Seattle]

Male - type of energy.
Is - the embodiment of
God- The Origin of Everything

Male is now a type of energy? That makes no sense.

 

[wegs]

Missed this little nugget.
He must have been, he agrees with his Father God. Anyone who agrees with God must be a misogynist. at least according to James whom you agree with, who thinks the Bible is a sexist book written by sexist men

Nope, I never stated that. In fact, a few posts up, I’ve commented that I tend to view God as male because He revealed Himself as Jesus, a male. (“the Word made flesh”) But you dismiss pretty much all sound points I make because I’m female. lol

You’re going on ignore now. You’re harassing, trolling and getting aggressive... bye.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Male is now a type of energy? That makes no sense.

It always was.
Why doesn’t it make sense?

 

[Seattle]

It always was.
Why doesn’t it make sense?

Male is a gender not a spirit. You seem to enjoy making stuff up. I'm sensing you have a female spirit. Am I right?

 

[Beer w/Straw]

You still haven't quoted me.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Male is a gender not a spirit.

Didn’t say it was.
God is the spirit (didn’t you read what I wrote?)

You seem to enjoy making stuff up. I'm sensing you have a female spirit. Am I right?

God - Spirit - Male
Nature - Matter - Female
Father God
Mother Nature
It’s kind of obvious, if your honest

I'm sensing you have a female spirit. Am I right?

You’re wrong about enjoying making stuff up (unless it’s music and art). You’re mistaking me for bilvon.
But it is interesting how you associate “making stuff up as being a female endeavour.
I bet you the snowflakes are going to defend you on that statement