French newspaper attacked by Muslims!

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I think it's important the Muslims get used to seeing Mohammad made fun of. It's an important part of their assimilation in Western culture. We have a tradition of making fun of all things religious. I think most Muslims would agree Islam should not be discriminated against.
 
We have a tradition of making fun of all things religious.
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Especially in cartoons...
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Quite frankly when I hear about this stuff it makes me wonder when the religious right here is going to violently demand the same kind of pussyfooting...
 
I do believe that , at times, cartoons do go far beyond being satirically funny and make hurtful remarks about things they are depicting. I do understand that satire is something that is needed but , to me, should be done in as much a tasteful way to get the point across rather than just making people feel hurt and upset. I'd think there can be other ways to get satire type of cartoons made and still be somewhat respectful of those they are mocking. It doesn't disturb me any longer what type of crap the media produces for it just makes them look like fools not those they are trying to poke fun at.
 
I guess anything is better than focusing on the economy. Look there be Muslims!!!!
 
S.A.M. said:
I guess anything is better than focusing on the economy. Look there be Muslims!!!!
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Nope, but when they kill people or bomb buildings over a cartoon then yes, the idiotic level of idolatry some of them manifest deserves to be pointed out.
 
you mean like right wing americans calling for the death penelty for people who burn the flag? :rolleyes:
 
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Nope, but when they kill people or bomb buildings over a cartoon then yes, the idiotic level of idolatry some of them manifest deserves to be pointed out.
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You're right, they should kill millions of people over imaginary WMDs instead. Thats how rational people get their hundreds of thousands of brainless morans to go around committing mass murder all over the world. Who needs a fatwa? Freedom fries will do it

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Michael said:
I think it's important the Muslims get used to seeing Mohammad made fun of. It's an important part of their assimilation in Western culture. We have a tradition of making fun of all things religious. I think most Muslims would agree Islam should not be discriminated against.
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I for one completely reject that (Muslims should get used to seeing Islam made fun of), and I hope that vast majority of Muslims in the West are of the same opinion.

That stuff about assimilation is just bullsh.t.

Muslims are supposed to accept people trampling over what we hold sacred? we are supposed to accept gross misleading and unjust generalisations made about us in the media? its all freedom of speech? lol, gtfo.

Western society is based on fairness and social equality but some with axes to grind use the cover of free speech to peddle their bs and Muslims in general now are not going to fall for it. As a British Muslim I am assimilated as much as I can be, and that is that.

And you Michael are full of sh.t. Demonstrated countless times your prejudice against Muslim people.
 
Lots of derailing attempts in this thread already.

Freedom of the press is very important and it is always tested by the tasteless first.
 
Freedom of the press is very important and it is always tested by the tasteless first.
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Its hardly "freedom of the press" when the corporate sector is manipulating their morans to become cannon fodder for them by whipping up anti-Muslim sentiment. Hitler was also constantly "testing" the freedom of the press with his Nazi propaganda against Jews. Nowadays of course, with the Israel lobby firmly holding on to their gonads, they've made it a criminal offense to say anything bad about Jews or draw the same kind of caricatures as they now do about Muslims.

These are the people who are so offended by religious symbols that people do not have the freedom to wear them under threat of fine or prison. Not really in a position to throw stones
 
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Free speech...is the right to be an a$$.
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/aclu-challenges-states-refusal-to-issue-permit-for-klan-rally

Thursday, December 31, 1998

MADISON, Wis. – The Wisconsin chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit in federal court to allow the Ku Klux Klan to have a rally at the Capitol next month.

Earlier this month, state officials denied the white-supremacist group a permit for the rally.
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Now if members of the Muslim community had peacefully picketed the paper, boycotted advertisers?
Again, free speech activity. Legal.
And we would not be having this discussion, would we?

As far as getting used to it?
Violence against someone you disagree with isn't acceptable, even if they are insulting you and all you stand for.
I don't appreciate that the paper is producing insensitive images...but firebombing the paper is still not okay.

And to some degree...you do have to learn how to tolerate deliberate offensiveness...or tune it out...I cannot listen to most right-wing talk radio in the US without feeling nauseous within a few minutes, but I don't get to go blow up AM radio stations. I just don't listen to it.

@ SAM...I agree about hijab, I think what a person chooses to wear ought to be entirely his or her own business.
 
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And to some degree...you do have to learn how to tolerate deliberate offensiveness...or tune it out...I cannot listen to most right-wing talk radio in the US without feeling nauseous within a few minutes, but I don't get to go blow up AM radio stations. I just don't listen to it.
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Agreed, but after 10, 20, 30 years of wars and millions killed, its a bit hypocritical to say you should also be allowed to make fun of the people you victimise. I'd say that Muslims in Europe will get used to their religion being made fun of about the time Europeans get used to being killed by the millions for their religion or location or resources


Why should anyone take the French or Americans seriously on any issue related to freedom when they never meet any of their own obligations? I was just listening to the French threatening Iran today and thinking that these are the same people who exported nuclear tech to Israel. Frigging hypocrites
 
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S.A.M. said:
Its hardly "freedom of the press" when the corporate sector is manipulating their morans to become cannon fodder for them by whipping up anti-Muslim sentiment. Hitler was also constantly "testing" the freedom of the press with his Nazi propaganda against Jews. Nowadays of course, with the Israel lobby firmly holding on to their gonads, they've made it a criminal offense to say anything bad about Jews or draw the same kind of caricatures as they now do about Muslims.

These are the people who are so offended by religious symbols that people do not have the freedom to wear them under threat of fine or prison. Not really in a position to throw stones
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And frankly raging against this paper and it's cartoons only empowers it more.
 
nietzschefan said:
And frankly raging against this paper and it's cartoons only empowers it more.
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What doesn't empower it? I remember reading somewhere that Europe barely shakes off the blood from its boots before venturing on yet another bloodbath. The irony of Europeans preaching nonviolence is just too hard to swallow. When will they start practising it?
 
Now I do find that funny, Europe is fairly well pussified. Particularly Germany, which controls Europe by hard work and the pen far better than Hitler could ever dream of. Relax, they are done slaying for specific reasons, like religion.
 
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Now I do find that funny, Europe is fairly well pussified. Particularly Germany, which controls Europe by hard work and the pen far better than Hitler could ever dream of. Relax, they are done slaying for specific reasons, like religion.
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Right after they finish mopping up in Iraq and Afghanistan, you mean? Lol, how will their economies survive without a population to exploit? I don't see a draft in France do you?
 
Comon...seriously you call the European contribution to Afghanistan and Iraq significant? Your beef lay only with U.S, U.K and Canada...possibly Australia. Europe doesn't give a fuck about NATO.
 
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