A Nothing For Each Existence

Cyperium

Cyperium

I'm always me
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In the past, when I was very active on these forums, I often encountered the argument that each person has their own reality, that there is no "base reality". However, that lead me to a question, that if each person has their own reality/existence, then each person when they seize to exist must also have their own "nothing", in which they don't exist.

Cause, and bare with me on this cause it is kind of difficult to explain, if that isn't so, then how can someone start to exist? To start to exist, like we did when we were born, that is to make the nothing we were to the something that we are. Even if that means that no additional energy is applied the matter formed in such a way (given our birth) that it enabled us to be conscious (I'm not finished yet, bare with me a little longer), to be conscious is for us to exist, without consciousness we wouldn't exist and "our" bodies would just be a lump of matter like any other lump of matter in the universe (although admittedly more organised). To get back to the point (if you understood what I meant with the previous rant), I exist and I was nothing before, you exist and you were nothing before. If we were the same nothing, then why aren't we the same existence? That said, we must have our own nothing, in order to have our own existence.

Feel free to oppose this, or ask questions, only then can I make my point clear (cause in order to do so things must be approached one step at a time, which is pretty much impossible to do in one large post).
 
Our own reality/existence and our own 'nothingness'.......interesting. I shall contemplate this for a bit, but I have a sense of what you are trying to convey.
 
I kind of follow you on this . Except you come from something . That is the problem with your statements . You come from a genetic disposition of your heritage . Your Nature. So in that you come from something is the right answer
 
"Dust thou art, to dust returneth, was not spoken of the soul" I forget who wrote/said this . . . .

wlminex
 
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There is no answer Me-Ki-Gal, your suggestion is as good as mine. My genetic disposition makes my body, and somehow my mind only applies to this certain body (which is me or at least enough representation of me for me to exist in this body instead of any other body). When my body wasn't integrated but scattered around the earth then my mind was nothing, this is what I try to convey, and what I mean by saying we were 'nothing'. Even so, that 'nothing' that we were, had the concept of 'me' in it (and thus perhaps not nothing after all, but at least as we conceive it at this point), cause if it didn't have 'me' in it, how would the body I have represent me and thus make me exist?

I have to go to sleep now or else I'll be a zombie by the morning, I will read any further replies tomorrow and answer as best as I can. Thanks for your replies, they mean a lot to me and has already given me some other thoughts to take with me.
 
Me-Ki-Gal:

The context (not the verbatim quote) IS from the Bible . . . the quote is in someone's poem, I think - maybe Robert Frost . . . or the poem "Thanatopsis" perhaps.

wlminex
 
I Googled the source: The quote is from: "A Psalm of Life", by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

wlminex
 
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Well . . . "rot-in-hell, Longfellow" . . . for plagarizing God's Word . . . along with everyone else who has done so.

wlminex
 
wlminex said:
Well . . . "rot-in-hell, Longfellow" . . . for plagarizing God's Word . . . along with everyone else who has done so.

wlminex
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It was a dude that wrote it . He just said it was god that instructed him . Whether you want to believe the guy made it up probably by plagiarizing some one who didn't write it down or believe gOd told him is up to you
 
Me-Ki Gal:

Of course, you are correct . . . a 'dudette' could probably have said it better (tee hee!)

wlminex
 
Cyperium said:
There is no answer Me-Ki-Gal, your suggestion is as good as mine. My genetic disposition makes my body, and somehow my mind only applies to this certain body (which is me or at least enough representation of me for me to exist in this body instead of any other body). When my body wasn't integrated but scattered around the earth then my mind was nothing, this is what I try to convey, and what I mean by saying we were 'nothing'. Even so, that 'nothing' that we were, had the concept of 'me' in it (and thus perhaps not nothing after all, but at least as we conceive it at this point), cause if it didn't have 'me' in it, how would the body I have represent me and thus make me exist?

I have to go to sleep now or else I'll be a zombie by the morning, I will read any further replies tomorrow and answer as best as I can. Thanks for your replies, they mean a lot to me and has already given me some other thoughts to take with me.
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Your genetic disposition does more than that . When you look in the mirror do you see your parents . Do you hear your self saying the same things from time to time . Hand gestures are another one . The way your lips curl when an ice cube is put against them . Kids separated from there parents will have the same gait when they walk . They will think in similar fashions . It is quite remarkable really . I speculate that we have a genetic memory of the past lives of our heritage . So even the stuff you do right now is becoming part of that genetic memory in your kids . An evolutionary process in motion so to speak . So in that I believe you have the ghost of your ancestry in you big time . The dead are part of your very existence by you being a genetic copy of the past with modifications because of evolution being in motion. The Mutant of the Future . Modern Human of 2011
 
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Me-Ki Gal:

Of course, you are correct . . . a 'dudette' could probably have said it better (tee hee!)

wlminex
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I think your right . A good dudette that follows her rightful religion Handed down by the great Erskigal would say . You rape Me again and I will bury your dead body back in the earth where it belongs . You can see how a Man might interpreted that to mean the same thing. What Baby From the earth I came and Back to the earth I will go . You want Me to go ? But I love you Baby . Please just one more chance . I will put your words in writing and make you famous it writing. Man lies again . He gave god the credit
 
One of the reasons that I think belief in some sort of afterlife is so common is because once we exist, it's impossible to imagine not existing. It's like trying to imagine absolute nothingness, which isn't anything at all, and as such there's nothing to imagine. So when we think beyond our death, we instinctively reject the absurdity of nothingness. This may be philosophically justifiable if what we imagine is simply the existence of something by virtue of the impossibility of nothingness, but it's far less justifiable when what we imagine is the continuation of both something and our own conscious awareness of it. All one has to do is think in the reverse chronological direction back to a time beyond one's birth to recognize that the nonexistence of one's own conscious awareness is possible. So we must, as rational human beings, be prepared to consider that the absurdity of our own nonexistence is only apparent rather than real.
 
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Me-Ki Gal:

What the H*** are you talking about!!!

wlminex
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Forget it, he's rolling.
 
We partially create our own reality. Our other part of reality perception is connected to social learning. The former makes us unique, while the latter helps create a consensus perception of reality. You would not consider the big bang part of reality had you not learned this. But once we all learn it, it becomes part of our collective perception of reality.

We also create our own reality, based on direct data that enters our sensory systems, which is then processed through the filter of our minds. But even these filters are both individual and collective. If you went to school at all or watched TV or internet, your filters are at least partially collective. You would need to isolate and do a memory dump to remove the collective contributions to the filter ,before you could define you own reality or nothingness.
 
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