Bells
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To all the retarded twats trying to make this about race, get some perspective.
London riots: Violence erupts for third day
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Do you not get that those police who go around brutalizing black men - they're enabled to do that in order to "protect" other segments of society?
Specifically, the segments who inhabit the rich, distant parts of town where you'd rarely see a black man on the streets at all?
That the maintenance of privileged, segregated enclaves, via this brutal civic double-standard, is exactly what was so infuriating about the Rodney King attack? The brutal nature of the beating was spectacular, sure - but the riot-inducing impact was the fact that this wasn't a matter of a few bad apples. It was a display of the systemic cruelty employed to keep Beverly Hills Beverly Hills, and Compton Compton.
Class was (and is) important as well, in both instances.
So you should say there is nothing to be proud of in using police brutality to keep the proles in line. Which would be to say that the safe existence of Beverly Hills is an affront - an overt expression of exactly such pride.
In a sense, I suppose - but you'd be aligned with the masses and not with the pigs and bourgeoisie. There's also the matter of supporting a one-off push-back against the social order, vs. supporting the ongoing, systemic abuse to maintain it.
Yeah, that's what happens when social order breaks down. It's not supposed to be pretty, or fun for anyone. The relevant political point remains that an improved social contract is required, if people want their order back.
The authoritarian streak is noted - right down to the literal infantilization of the rioters.
But the youthful character of the rioters shouldn't surprise - they have that much less stake in social order, not generally being property owners or otherwise invested in bourgeoise institutions.
I like to think of myself as more in the style of classic JCVD: lots of flashy acrobatics, slo-mo sequences of like 40 consecutive kicks to the face, glistening waxed pectorals - just generally way more vanity than is tasteful. And at least one montage training scene featuring conspicuous over-use of the splits per vehicle.
That makes the rioting Chav's a "Cargo Cult", it's like Somalia on our doorstep (I'm not referring to it's current Famine stricken status, but it's piracy)
I wouldn't use the Shetlands, the MoD had an island where they tested the durability of Anthrax, perhaps they should be sent there.
Do you care about what those people think and feel? Do they care what you think and feel?
Everybody wants something but we only allow ourselves to take what we deserve (and can get away with) according to our own interpretation of the appropriate rules to this game of life. Fear of law enforcement helps keep crime under control but probably not nearly as much as personal ethics keeps crime under control.
These people have given themselves permission to loot. What are their personal rules about what is OK to take and how did they come to believe in a different set of rules than you do?
Maybe more police are needed to scare these people but they claim to be doing this in retaliation for the police scaring them.
Maybe these people need more respect from the majority before they show respect to the majority.
Maybe these people need more economic opportunity but some resent the money already being spent on them to keep them afloat economically.
Thanks for the link. I was wondering who those people are but even in the link I hear people talking about the looters rather than hear the looters talking about themselves. Is the media too scared to interview the looters or does the media think the media consumers would not be interested in what the looters might say about what they pretend to believe they are doing? Maybe the media does not leave the office unless there is a princess sighting.
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Let's just put some perspective on this, the guy that got shot "yes he was black" that of course is not the reason the police were after him, they were after him because of him being an alleged drug dealer and having an illegal firearm, while likely also being involved in local gangs which are regularly heard over the news of shooting random people or just people they don't like in London.
The police were just trying to deal with one of the many suspects that promotes fear and violence on the London streets.
Now you can attempt to apply racism, you could suggest that these gangs are formed by people that keep within their ethnicity because of the racial tension that racists usually cause against them, because they aren't allow the opportunity to integrate or because decades of racism has promoted distrust. They run in gangs and do criminal activities against others (which are often other ethnicities that they don't get on with)
The parts of London where the trouble started had the Tenements that were erected during the Thatcher era, where people are made to live in tight spaces, where criminal activity is rife and where people live because they are poverish compared to central London. (The rental prices are high centrally, it doesn't mean the people are too poor to afford a property, only too poor for central London.)
Those Tenements have been the centre of problems for years, the police tried cutting down the problems by establishing community officers to visit the areas regularly to keep some for of order in the area, however due to government cut backs, their presence had likely depleted.
What they'll eventually likely do is like they did with some Northern towns and Cities where trouble was rife on council estates. They would purposely force families to move to a new location (obviously at cost by the government) to lessen the number of either problem families or innocents in the area before the area is dealt with.
They would then go into where those houses were that they had previously lived in and bulldoze the lot.
I think the riots have to do with the austerity measures during the current economic downturn, leading to withdrawal symptoms at the prospect of losing a very generous and free government fix.
An analogy is feeding a person beer and booze, until they learn to depend on this and become an alcoholic. The giver of booze and beer will appear like a friend at the very beginning. During hard times, if they say, sorry I can't give you anymore booze. All I have is a few bottles of beer. This will induce a raging withdrawal reaction, maybe ransacking your house. Flat screen TV's can be traded for booze.
This was a good experiment, because he shows the down side of helping people in a way that leads to dependency and addiction instead of skills and self reliance. Dependency only benefits the pusher man who will ask a favor somewhere down the line.
An analogy is feeding a person beer and booze, until they learn to depend on this and become an alcoholic. The giver of booze and beer will appear like a friend at the very beginning. During hard times, if they say, sorry I can't give you anymore booze. All I have is a few bottles of beer. This will induce a raging withdrawal reaction, maybe ransacking your house. Flat screen TV's can be traded for booze.
This was a good experiment, because he shows the down side of helping people in a way that leads to dependency and addiction instead of skills and self reliance. Dependency only benefits the pusher man who will ask a favor somewhere down the line.
"Neither a borrower, nor a lender be."
I could, sure, but let's note that I didn't. Not to the events in England - I've been explicit about eschewing the race angle, there.
But if people want to discuss Rodney King and the LA riots, it's going to come up in that context.
Let's note that such is the intended purpose of building huge tenements of low-cost housing - keep The Problems off in one place, away from the "nice" people, where the cops can more easily keep a lid on them (and with a lot less visibility from the "nice" people, to boot).
This being the opposite of "integration," note.
Another advantage to segregation/concentration - if and when you don't feel like paying for so many police, the worst of the problems from the cutbacks get concentrated somewhere out-of-sight and out-of-mind.
Until the problems get so bad that they spill out in the form of riots or other unrest, that is.
Right - brutal statist residential policies. Not about fixing problems, but simply shuffling them around, or warehousing them somewhere convenient. Parallels to waste management are both obvious and a bit chilling.
again I ask...why did these riots begin?
They see it as an opportunity to recruit new morons.
archibald? well he is a nice kid from a good family
babatunde? well he is a baboon from the jungle
to the one...finger wagging
to the other...shoot
/snicker
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I heard Tariq Jahan on the World Service this afternoon. From BBC News:
It was a heartbreaking press conference.
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Notes:
British Broadcasting Corporation. "Birmingham disorder: Father's plea over Haroon Jahan death". BBC News. August 10, 2011. BBC.co.uk. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14481061
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I heard Tariq Jahan on the World Service this afternoon. From BBC News:
The father of a man who was killed along with two others when they were hit by a car during disorder in Birmingham has appealed for calm.
Tariq Jahan's son, Haroon Jahan, 21, died along with Shahzad Ali, 30, and Abdul Musavir, 31, as they protected property on Tuesday night ....
.... Mr Jahan said losing a family member was something no mother, father, son or sister should endure.
"Today, we stand here to call to all the youth to remain calm, for our communities to stay united," he said.
"As we stand here today, this is not a race issue. The families have received messages of sympathy and support from all parts of the communities - from all faiths, all colours and backgrounds."
He appealed for people to respect the memories of their sons by staying away from trouble and not going out.
"I have lost my son—if you want to lose yours step forward, otherwise calm down and go home."
Tariq Jahan's son, Haroon Jahan, 21, died along with Shahzad Ali, 30, and Abdul Musavir, 31, as they protected property on Tuesday night ....
.... Mr Jahan said losing a family member was something no mother, father, son or sister should endure.
"Today, we stand here to call to all the youth to remain calm, for our communities to stay united," he said.
"As we stand here today, this is not a race issue. The families have received messages of sympathy and support from all parts of the communities - from all faiths, all colours and backgrounds."
He appealed for people to respect the memories of their sons by staying away from trouble and not going out.
"I have lost my son—if you want to lose yours step forward, otherwise calm down and go home."
It was a heartbreaking press conference.
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Notes:
British Broadcasting Corporation. "Birmingham disorder: Father's plea over Haroon Jahan death". BBC News. August 10, 2011. BBC.co.uk. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-14481061
The BBC has just confirmed that the man charged with driving his car at a group of men protecting commercial property during the disturbances in Birmingham, killing three of them, was a BLACK MAN.
Ah well, no doubt there will turn out to be mitigating circumstances!
Ah well, no doubt there will turn out to be mitigating circumstances!