Israeli/Hamas disregard for human life.

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spidergoat said:
Iran is not innocent, nor are those civilians building Iran's nukes. The lives of all Israelis could be in danger.
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Surprise. :( You are more concerned with the handful of Israeli casualties compared to 1300 Palestinian deaths.
1. There is NO evidence for nukes.
2. COULD is not grounds for the slaughter of innocents. Collateral civilian casualties.

That is false by any interpretation of the word.
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No, you really have to up your comprehension skills.
 
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fedr808 said:
If the world operated like Palestine, things would really suck.
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[obscenity deleted]

and on another note, it's irrelevant whether the Israelis have nukes or not. what is relevant is for the world to wake up and start trying to prevent the [deleted] from getting their hands on nukes. you think iran only has a beef with Israel? and you think they don't have their incredibly huge networks of rogue terrorists all over the world to threaten anyone? you're deluding yourself.
 
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StrawDog said:
Surprise. :( You are more concerned with the handful of Israeli casualties compared to 1300 Palestinian deaths.
1. There is NO evidence fir nukes.
2. COULD is not grounds for the slaughter of innocents. Collateral civilian casualties.



No, you really have to up your comprehension skills.
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It is the role of Israel's government to protect it's citizens, no matter how many of them are threatened. That goes for all nations. I'm personally just as concerned about the loss of life on any side. However, it's not like Israel should take actions to protect it's citizens only if precisely equal numbers of people are liable to die in that action. That is a strange and perverse kind of logic that no one on Earth shares.

I have yet seen no evidence of Iranian nukes, but it does fit with their actions and motivations. Certainly there are lesser measure to be taken against Iran starting with legitimate UN investigations into their nuclear program. If that doesn't work, I'm sure Israel would pursue covert actions, such as assassinating their nuclear scientists or sabotaging equipment. The US was on the brink of nuclear war with the USSR over the placement of nuclear missiles in Cuba. Of course, the same dynamic existed then, the USSR could launch missiles, or they might not. No one knew what would happen. I think it's safe to assume that Israel would not strike Iran unless they could confirm the presence of nuclear weapons or the imminent production of them, since the cost of being wrong is too great.
 
mr. goat,

not a single western spy agency has ANY sort of doubt about the intent of the nazi regime in Iran. it's their bosses in government who have to be diplomatic who are not making their intent or real suspicions public.

it doesn't take a genius to connect all the dots to figure out what iran's intent is. even freakin Obama has PUBLICLY said recently that he too thinks Iran's intent is to get the bomb.

the pro-nazi side is saying 2 things: 1) Iran is not building the bomb, and at the same time 2) Iran has the right to a bomb (i.e. they are building one).

the answer of course is that YES, Iran is building the bomb, and NO, not everyone is entitled to it, especially a genocidal primitive and barbaric regime like the one sitting in Tehran.

G-d bless the spies that are inside Iran right now trying their hardest to stop the next Hitlers from obtaining the tools of armageddon.
 
spidergoat said:
It is the role of Israel's government to protect it's citizens, no matter how many of them are threatened. That goes for all nations. I'm personally just as concerned about the loss of life on any side. However, it's not like Israel should take actions to protect it's citizens only if precisely equal numbers of people are liable to die in that action. That is a strange and perverse kind of logic that no one on Earth shares.
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I understand what you are saying. Suffice to say Israel could try WAY harder in the pursuit of peace.

I have yet seen no evidence of Iranian nukes, but it does fit with their actions and motivations.
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What actions? What motivations?

Certainly there are lesser measure to be taken against Iran starting with legitimate UN investigations into their nuclear program.
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That is happening and the report states that there is no credible evidence for nuclear weapons or pograms.

former U.S. national security official says the International Atomic Energy Agency has found no “credible evidence” of a nuclear-weapons program in Iran.
(http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=189701)
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If that doesn't work, I'm sure Israel would pursue covert actions, such as assassinating their nuclear scientists or sabotaging equipment.
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Sadly that is happening as well.

Israel is assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists as part of a covert war against the Islamic Republic's illicit weapons program, the Daily Telegraph on Tuesday quoted Western intelligence analysts as saying.
(http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1064852.html)
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The US was on the brink of nuclear war with the USSR over the placement of nuclear missiles in Cuba. Of course, the same dynamic existed then, the USSR could launch missiles, or they might not. No one knew what would happen. I think it's safe to assume that Israel would not strike Iran unless they could confirm the presence of nuclear weapons or the imminent production of them, since the cost of being wrong is too great.
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Ah. You are conceding that peace has a better chance off success if both parties have nuclear weapons in their arsenal. Once again I bring to your attention that Iran has no history of aggression in the 20th Century.
 
otheadp said:
mr. goat,

not a single western spy agency has ANY sort of doubt about the intent of the nazi regime in Iran. it's their bosses in government who have to be diplomatic who are not making their intent or real suspicions public.

it doesn't take a genius to connect all the dots to figure out what iran's intent is. even freakin Obama has PUBLICLY said recently that he too thinks Iran's intent is to get the bomb.

the pro-nazi side is saying 2 things: 1) Iran is not building the bomb, and at the same time 2) Iran has the right to a bomb (i.e. they are building one).

the answer of course is that YES, Iran is building the bomb, and NO, not everyone is entitled to it, especially a genocidal primitive and barbaric regime like the one sitting in Tehran.

G-d bless the spies that are inside Iran right now trying their hardest to stop the next Hitlers from obtaining the tools of armageddon.
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G-d help Israel, for they are straying from the path of righteousness.
 
Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak says he advocates a war on Iran, following the country's successful test-runs at the Bushehr power plant.
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(http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=86784&sectionid=351020104)

No. Iran cannot create electricity from Nuclear reactors. Israel will not have it! So who still thinks Israel is at all interested in peace?

Another perspective.

Russia sees no concern over nuclear Iran

There is no room for Western concern over Russia's nuclear cooperation with Iran, says the head of the Rosatom State Atomic Corporation.

Sergei Kiriyenko, in a joint Wednesday press conference with head of Iran's Atomic Energy Organization (AEO) Gholam-Reza Aqazadeh in Bushehr, addressed Western opposition to Moscow's nuclear cooperation with Tehran.

"Cooperation between Iran and Russia is based on international norms and conventions and it should be said that nothing is being done outside the non-proliferation framework," explained the Russian nuclear official in response to a question by Press TV's correspondent Gisoo Misha Ahmadi.
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"Anyone who thinks this project can be used for the proliferation of nuclear weapons can come here and see for themselves.
(http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=86762&sectionid=351020104)

I wonder if anyone will take up this offer?
 
Interestingly, it should be noted that Israel could never admit they didn't have any nukes even if they didn't.

They'd be invaded the next day.
 
That was a hypothetical in part. To clarify: if those Iranians are building a nuclear weapon, are they innocent?

It strikes me that a nation that got nuclear weapons construction documents details from Pakistan has more than the usual necessity to be open about their work. Other suspicious issues might include: ejecting inspectors and building additional, secret facilities without informing the IAEA.
 
GeoffP said:
That was a hypothetical in part. To clarify: if those Iranians are building a nuclear weapon, are they innocent?

It strikes me that a nation that got nuclear weapons construction documents details from Pakistan has more than the usual necessity to be open about their work. Other suspicious issues might include: ejecting inspectors and building additional, secret facilities without informing the IAEA.
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Ah. Agreed in principle.

The centrifuge spin? That remains a spin. There is nothing concrete to that story.
 
spidergoat said:
Iran is not innocent, nor are those civilians building Iran's nukes. The lives of all Israelis could be in danger.


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And the lives of Egyptians??????? (bearing in mind Leiberman has said Israel should bomb the Aswan dam)

or iranians, espicially if ISarel attack Iran through pre-emptive strike,

not to mention the people fo occupied palestine or the Lebanon??

R thopse guys safe from the Israeli war machine
 
GeoffP said:
That was a hypothetical in part. To clarify: if those Iranians are building a nuclear weapon, are they innocent?

It strikes me that a nation that got nuclear weapons construction documents details from Pakistan has more than the usual necessity to be open about their work. Other suspicious issues might include: ejecting inspectors and building additional, secret facilities without informing the IAEA.
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similar to the tactics used by Israel In the 60's then

again backing up thread title!!!
 
dude, im ready to start spamming this thread with pictures of terrorist attacks on Israel by the Palestinians.

But id get a referral, so just go to my account, click on the first referral and go to that thread and you can see them yourselves.

PS strawdog, i could also find some other biased, racial hate newspaper that claims itself to be correct, sophisticated, and unbiased, like the KKK newspaper, i could referance that and say why you are going to hell and are going to burn for your sins, but i dont. So why do you use the equivalent?
 
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