Challenger78
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Star Wars vs Star Trek
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I've not found anything like that.
In a certain episode where Go'uld Motherships were destroying Earth cities, Samatha Carter said they likely wouldn't feel it because the weapons were equal to 200 mega tons. Now their more common weapons are far less powerful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KceLudMu_I0&feature=related
The Go'uld are nothing compared to the Asgard and ancients who's shield power doesn't even shrug at vollies of go'uld fire power.
Now the Ori Inaders trump the Asgard and Ancients. They're shields seemed to have no problem with an entire fleet of Gould and Asgard and human ships.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tajKh-T0zzs&feature=related
Eventual before the Asgard all killed themselves they gave the humans powerful new beam weapons that destroyed those Asgard ships in three shots.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLCVIAkwQKU&feature=related
It it would be the replicators to beat the Borg.
I don't think so. The only purpose the replicators have is to replicate.
the steps in power are explained above but surfice to say the human ships are equiped with the most mismatched weapons and shield systems but they are highly effective.
Talk about a faith based statement! Remember, the Borg need only successfully assimilate a SINGLE Replicator nanite to gain the technology.
However, I do grant that I also see the Replicators as extremely difficult for the Borg to overcome.
Stargate human ships (all 2 of them) would not be able to withstand the first barrage of a typical capital Starfleet vessel. The Asgards however are another story altogether.
Thank goodness they are not aggressive...The replicators are made of nanites. Those bonds between them are powerful and the borg have nothing like it. And replicator nanites are smaller, virus size. Borg nanites are the size of a red blood cell....primitive technology. The replicators would invade the borg nanites and break them down for more of themselves.
Borg say bye bye.
And remember the Tauri ships are equipped with Asgard shields. They would lay waste to the Federation fleet. Daedalus and Appolo and now the General Hammond. Now that Atlantis is on Earth they'll have drone technology too.
Borg say bye bye.
And remember the Tauri ships are equipped with Asgard shields. They would lay waste to the Federation fleet. Daedalus and Appolo and now the General Hammond. Now that Atlantis is on Earth they'll have drone technology too.
Excuse me? Borg nanites are smaller than blood cells. As seen in Scorpion when the Doctor used Borg nanites to defeat the infective capabilities of Species 8472 on human (Harry Kim's) blood cells. And the bonds between individual nanites have no bearing on which nanite tech is superior, it is simply necessary for the Replicator nanites to be bound tightly to manifest a coherent being - the spider like Replicator.
It is simply a fight of whose nanites would finish first. Assimilation or consumption.
I don't disagree that the Borg might lose mind you, just that it would be much more of a close fight than you allow. Let's not get like TW now!
All 3 ships? Against the raw power of a fleet of Federation vessels that you yourself have calculated to be immensely efficient at pumping out energy? No, no Boo-Boo, stand by your own arguments. Stargate Earth (by itself) has no chance against Starfleet Earth (and dare I say even a Warsie fleet). Two Go'auld capital ships almost destroyed one of them with conventional energy weapons. What could those little three ships, upgraded as they may be, do against the battery of say 50 Federation vessels? How about 100?
How about 300 Star Destroyers? (Even if they suck at aiming, chances are they will hit at some point!).
The Asgard fleet however would be a much much tougher opponent against either Wars or Trek. It is likely that they would inflict incalculable damage, however I'm still not sure they'd win outright. Against Captain Jean Luc Picard anyway.
Couple of things:
1) There's only 3 human ships... and I doubt they would hit a star trek vessel en warp
Trek still has the advantage in tactical speed (high relativistic impulse speeds, and slower warp speeds). 2) I think trek's easiest way to take care of Stargate would be to simply destroy Stargate Command with a barrage of phaser and torpedo fire
No SGC, everything kinda falls apart. 3) Considering how phasers work... I think they might penetrate Asgard shields. If not - simply grab the ship in the tractor beam and throw it away
Excuse me? Borg nanites are smaller than blood cells. As seen in Scorpion when the Doctor used Borg nanites to defeat the infective capabilities of Species 8472 on human (Harry Kim's) blood cells. And the bonds between individual nanites have no bearing on which nanite tech is superior, it is simply necessary for the Replicator nanites to be bound tightly to manifest a coherent being - the spider like Replicator.
It is simply a fight of whose nanites would finish first. Assimilation or consumption.
I don't disagree that the Borg might lose mind you, just that it would be much more of a close fight than you allow. Let's not get like TW now!
All 3 ships? Against the raw power of a fleet of Federation vessels that you yourself have calculated to be immensely efficient at pumping out energy? No, no Boo-Boo, stand by your own arguments. Stargate Earth (by itself) has no chance against Starfleet Earth (and dare I say even a Warsie fleet). Two Go'auld capital ships almost destroyed one of them with conventional energy weapons. What could those little three ships, upgraded as they may be, do against the battery of say 50 Federation vessels? How about 100?
How about 300 Star Destroyers? (Even if they suck at aiming, chances are they will hit at some point!).
The Asgard fleet however would be a much much tougher opponent against either Wars or Trek. It is likely that they would inflict incalculable damage, however I'm still not sure they'd win outright. Against Captain Jean Luc Picard anyway.
That's cause Picard would out-logic them
Stargate has one very powerfull weapon you forget.... a plant that grows by the faintest light. Just trow one seed on the open surface of earth, tattoine, home planets of vulcans, romulans, ferengi, klingon, naboo, corussant even. In a few days that plant would have grown over the entire planet.
Give all captains a seed as a present. once they open it? buy buy enterprise lol
BTW doesn't anyone wonder why in SW the weapons are manual operated ??????
I believe that (oh boy gonna open up a can of worms here) that all vessels in SW are equiped with jammers so that target computers are useless. If you need to scan something to hit it (how fast it may be) you can always jam that scanner. thus leaving the attack paterns of ST weapons as effective as computer targeted SW ones. useless
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Give all captains a seed as a present. once they open it? buy buy enterprise lol
BTW doesn't anyone wonder why in SW the weapons are manual operated ??????
I believe that (oh boy gonna open up a can of worms here) that all vessels in SW are equiped with jammers so that target computers are useless. If you need to scan something to hit it (how fast it may be) you can always jam that scanner. thus leaving the attack paterns of ST weapons as effective as computer targeted SW ones. useless
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Nope they're the same size.
Yeah thecy grabed the cells, they didn't enter the cells.
No it gives them the shape shifting ability, a superior ability to borg nanites.
consumption. easy to do when you can eat something inside out.
Hey...I'm just going by the facts...lets not stupe to name calling.
That incident was before the upgrades after the Asgard passed on.
3 Dadelus class ships would tear up 40 Federation ships...100 would be impossible.
Let me just tell you that one shot from the Asgard beam would Destroy a Federation starship...anyone...(except armored Voyager). Those ships in the those videos were far stronger than a Star Destroyer and the same size. Wraith Hive ships are several miles long and they cook them in two or three shots.
The Asgard fleet however would be a much much tougher opponent against either Wars or Trek. It is likely that they would inflict incalculable damage, however I'm still not sure they'd win outright. Against Captain Jean Luc Picard anyway.
Earth (Tauri) have the exact same weapons and shields.)
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Now now Saquist, you know there's larger borge Nanoprobes and smaller borg Nanites. The NANITES are smaller than cells (hence how they can infiltrate the body without, you know, liquifying it). The nanoprobes are what you saw in that episode, and are larger than a red blood cell.
Also - I think some of the newer starships could find a way to overcome the Asgard beam - I'd bet Geordi would find a way, or Scotty. Or Data. Then again, the Enterprise-E post-nemesis vs the Daedelus would be an interesting fight... pretty much come down to who hit whom first
Also - I think some of the newer starships could find a way to overcome the Asgard beam - I'd bet Geordi would find a way, or Scotty. Or Data
. Then again, the Enterprise-E post-nemesis vs the Daedelus would be an interesting fight... pretty much come down to who hit whom first Is there really a point to this thread?
If you guys really want a guide to whether or not Star Trek or Star Wars would win if they ever faced off against each other, go to this site:
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/
The basic verdict basically is: The Empire would roast the Star Trek universe.
And for all of your "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BORG!!!!!!!!!1111" fanboys, here is a site that also deals with that: http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/borgs/nuborg.html
There! Debate is over!
If you guys really want a guide to whether or not Star Trek or Star Wars would win if they ever faced off against each other, go to this site:
http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/
The basic verdict basically is: The Empire would roast the Star Trek universe.
And for all of your "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE BORG!!!!!!!!!1111" fanboys, here is a site that also deals with that: http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/borgs/nuborg.html
There! Debate is over!
Now now Saquist, you know there's larger borge Nanoprobes and smaller borg Nanites. The NANITES are smaller than cells (hence how they can infiltrate the body without, you know, liquifying it). The nanoprobes are what you saw in that episode, and are larger than a red blood cell.
Also - I think some of the newer starships could find a way to overcome the Asgard beam - I'd bet Geordi would find a way, or Scotty. Or Data
All I know is what I've seen on screen.
Borgnanoprobes have to introduced by tubials that inject it into the blood screen. This implies that the skin is a sufficient barrier to borg infection. The Nanoprobes exist in a very small amount...only several million. Replicator nanites exist in several quadrillion per human form replicator. (it's what they're made out of.)
However in Stargate the replicators are so small they may pass right through skin, muscle and bone to the brain and access your memories with out a neural net.
It's funny that we've been talking Star Wars and Trek for the entire time. The clear winner would be Stargate. Now that Atlantis is now on Earth all the technology of the ancients is now sitting in San Fransico Bay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbbkgcNCNqM
This is a video of the Odyssey taking out an Ori Mothership. Must have been at least four shots to take out the impentrable shields and two shots to destroy the ship.
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antaran_1979
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poor jester, since when are debates held on what is obviously biased ground?
antaran_1979
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to Saq:
dude, i really have to wach SG to be able to debate it, but from what i've seen on the clips and dead on this forums, i've reached following conclusions:
1. those beams are slow. very slow actually. SW TLs are at least fast enough to hit something big even though they are manualy fired (Lord Vasago, jamming does not explain the low SW acuracy. SW ships are teh slugs of SF. even a WWI fyring crew would aim better with nothing but rangefinders). from what i've seen in the clips the only time SG ships hit anything further away then <1km is when the target is absolutely still. they shoot eachother at closer ranges then even SW and ST.
2. if the planetar bombardement weapon of the Goauld (spelling) is at the 200MT range, this makes it on par with the heavier/st TNG planetary bombadement torpedo (Skin of Evil). if 1 torpedo has the power of their weapon, imagine a 10torps barage. and this is their top power. if normal torpedo loads are 25-50% the yield of that, ST Mirandas could cut through Goauld defences like through butter (asumming gouauld ships are designed to resist their own firepower). not to mention heavy platforms like Akira or Nebula. and that is just the trops.
now this conclusions are still worht little since we need a comparison of ofensive/defencive capabilities of the other ships. in example if an Ori ships has 100 times stronger shield then a Goauld it would take 100 times stronger weapon to penetrate it. in such a hipotethical example, a GCS that can obliterate 3 goauld ships with 1 forward torpedo salvo (10torps) would need a 30 such salvos (torpedoes only) to overpower the Ori. if each Ori can do the same level of distruction to the goauld then the GCS can last agains the Ori at least 60-70 beam strikes. this afcourse jsut an abstracion, since i know noth the ratio betwean the ori and goauld ships.
so is there a point of reference for such an analasys?
dude, i really have to wach SG to be able to debate it, but from what i've seen on the clips and dead on this forums, i've reached following conclusions:
1. those beams are slow. very slow actually. SW TLs are at least fast enough to hit something big even though they are manualy fired (Lord Vasago, jamming does not explain the low SW acuracy. SW ships are teh slugs of SF. even a WWI fyring crew would aim better with nothing but rangefinders). from what i've seen in the clips the only time SG ships hit anything further away then <1km is when the target is absolutely still. they shoot eachother at closer ranges then even SW and ST.
2. if the planetar bombardement weapon of the Goauld (spelling) is at the 200MT range, this makes it on par with the heavier/st TNG planetary bombadement torpedo (Skin of Evil). if 1 torpedo has the power of their weapon, imagine a 10torps barage. and this is their top power. if normal torpedo loads are 25-50% the yield of that, ST Mirandas could cut through Goauld defences like through butter (asumming gouauld ships are designed to resist their own firepower). not to mention heavy platforms like Akira or Nebula. and that is just the trops.
now this conclusions are still worht little since we need a comparison of ofensive/defencive capabilities of the other ships. in example if an Ori ships has 100 times stronger shield then a Goauld it would take 100 times stronger weapon to penetrate it. in such a hipotethical example, a GCS that can obliterate 3 goauld ships with 1 forward torpedo salvo (10torps) would need a 30 such salvos (torpedoes only) to overpower the Ori. if each Ori can do the same level of distruction to the goauld then the GCS can last agains the Ori at least 60-70 beam strikes. this afcourse jsut an abstracion, since i know noth the ratio betwean the ori and goauld ships.
so is there a point of reference for such an analasys?
No, not in the slightest - if SD.net was right, a single X-Wing would be able to perform Death-Star like feats of destruction
Saquist - that video they hit the Ori ship at least half a dozen times before the shields started to fluctuate... I don't think the weapon so much obliterated the shields as caused a massive feedback loop into the generators. I mean... the shields didn't fail UNTIL the ship started to explode o0'
Considering that no known weapon including colision by a Go'uld Mothership wasn't anywhwere close to destroy the Ori Warship. Half a dozen shots is considered awesome.
That sounds about right. The Tauri (humans) have become vastly superior to the Go'uld. They would give as good as they got.
Naquadah is a dense element not found anywhere in Earth's solar system. It is superconductive, able to absorb high amounts of energy, and a fuel for most alien technologies.
Humans have developed Naquadah enhanced weapons that had no effect against the Ori Mothership. When Earth is threatened with destruction by a giant asteroid on a collision course, it is revealed that the experiment Bauer forced Carter to conduct was not in vain. The SGC's response is to despatch SG-1 in a captured Goa'uld cargo vessel to destroy the asteroid with a 1200 megaton naquadah-enhanced nuclear warhead. It's the most powerful warhead ever created, the equivalent of 1 billion tons of TNT.
Such weapons had no effect against the Ori Shields in the battles .
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Saquist, remember - it's NOT all about shear power. It's how you use it...
Who knows what effect a Rapid Nadeon Effect would have on SG shields...
Who knows... maybe you could even teleport a torpedo past the Ori shields... we've seen things in SG able to bypass shields (the rings)
And also - transphasic torpedoes would probably be an issue...
Finally - if SGC and the Federation teamed up... Naquadria enhanced warp cores... oooooH!
Who knows what effect a Rapid Nadeon Effect would have on SG shields...
Who knows... maybe you could even teleport a torpedo past the Ori shields... we've seen things in SG able to bypass shields (the rings)
And also - transphasic torpedoes would probably be an issue...
Finally - if SGC and the Federation teamed up... Naquadria enhanced warp cores... oooooH!
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