Objective Reality

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by fess, Nov 13, 2008.

  1. Gustav Banned Banned

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    mr anders
    i is a given
    we is not
     
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  3. Mr. Hamtastic whackawhackado! Registered Senior Member

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    Gustav-You caused a matrix flashback for a moment there....
     
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  5. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    I agree with everything but the last part. How is adding a layer to achieve visibility not dependable? Electron microscopes can consistently visualize small things for humans in good detail.


    I mean that external information just flat out exists. Human brains can also mis-translate, mis-synchronize, or generate sensory information (ex. dreams).

    Observation of them in the present. And we know those qualities existed before humans because in the present we can observe thier effects from the past.
     
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  8. Gustav Banned Banned

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    very cool
    i am guessing however it was the mr anders shit


    the matrix shit in this instance......



    what is that?
    religious fervor?
    mind over matter?

    /kowtow
     
  9. Gustav Banned Banned

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    and when all people are dead?
     
  10. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    1) Give your wife general anesthesia (she'll lose the ability to observe).
    2) Drop her face down in a swimming pool.
    3) Walk away and don't observe anything.

    If you're right then nothing will happen.

    Must be hard to take a shower.

    Feel free to point out a single instance of "nothing" (i.e. an absence of everything / anything).
     
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    ahh
    most excellent
    thats more like it

    however, an out.......


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    ...individual sensory receptors all see red. some just a limited hue
    nothing to it
    just biological/aforemetioned whatnot
     
  12. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    So you cannot feel the 'we'.
     
  13. Mr. Hamtastic whackawhackado! Registered Senior Member

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    Allow me to give an example. You observe a red ball on the ground beside a wall. You observe a person put a blue ball on the wall, and observe the blue ball fall off of the wall. Did the red ball, thus, fall off of the wall? Could it have been placed beside the wall, instead?
     
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    the underlying reality of all things macro bends causality and fucks her up the ass.

    thats what ben told me
    in his very own words
     
  15. Mr. Hamtastic whackawhackado! Registered Senior Member

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    By my reasoning, right now. There is nothing being typed on the screen by me, for I and the keyboard and everything else do not exist. At the same time, however, it all exists, and that is what is perceived.
     
  16. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Good. Because the OP stated otherwise.

    Because I exist and so does my environment.

    No they don't. The question was concerned with the requirements for healty-mindedness. The constrains the subject to that which has a mind.

    Because the energy required to remove and reinstantiate an eigenstate would leave a crater where you stand. Seeing as your internet connection is still working, I am 100% confident that hasn't happened.

    Sure you would, because if that information didn't match what actually did happen then you would know that you were "injected". Plus there would be a crater.
     
  17. Mr. Hamtastic whackawhackado! Registered Senior Member

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    I feel the wee if I don't attend to my bladder's needs.

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  18. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    Solipsist!
     
  19. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    It means that they saying "anything is possible" isn't really true.
     
  20. Crunchy Cat F-in' *meow* baby!!! Valued Senior Member

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    Reality will keep on truckin'.
     
  21. Mr. Hamtastic whackawhackado! Registered Senior Member

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    If everything exists and nothing exists at all times, then flickering from one to the other should cause no environmental alteration. Another way to put it: If I don't exist then not I exists in my absence.
     
  22. Mr. Hamtastic whackawhackado! Registered Senior Member

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    Again! This thing is heavy, and I'm prone to paper cuts, you know. <waves dictionary at Simon>

    solipsism-thinking only you exist

    Untrue. I don't think I exist at all, except in your perception.

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  23. Simon Anders Valued Senior Member

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    I just thought you thought their was only one self: me. that makes you a solipsistic voice in my mind. I label the voices as a way to (feel like I) have control over them.
     

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