Do people hate the Irish?

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FreeThinkers said:
I'm getting the impression from this forum that people in America don't like the Irish. People on the continent love us, so I don't know why Americans wouldn't. Is this true? Be honest.
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I'm American. I also like the Irish.
Actually, the concept of hating Irish is a completely weird alien concept LOL. About to only vague notion that anybody ever hated them comes from -- maybe -- reading or watching historical documentaries. They'll play distorted black and white yesteryear clips of immigrants getting off the boats in New York or something, and they'll talk about how they were picked on, or how hard it was to get good work. I saw a "no Irish need apply" sign hanging behind the bar at an Irish restaurant once among the usual bar-room curios.

St Patrick's day in celebrated by everybody (although it's mutated into more of a 'drinking holiday' as opposed to a religious one). There are also a lot of Irish customs and traditions which have seamlessly merged into the American culture. Every other person you talk to says they have some sort of Irish ancestor in their family.
 
domesticated om said:
I saw a "no Irish need apply" sign hanging behind the bar at an Irish restaurant once among the usual bar-room curios.
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Think that's bad? About 20 years ago my dad was walking down the street and he saw a sign in the window of a shop. 'Job position available - Catholics need not apply.' In Ireland!
 
Carcano said:
No, no, no, I mean...how do you make fries in a pan that are soft on the inside and crispy on the outside...without being greasy and horrible?

Its a serious question...:confused:

If an Irishman cant tell me...no one can!
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Fries? You mean like chips? :confused:
 
Carcano said:
Carcano is bashing the Irish...without my knowledge???

Nothing of the sort...

I just thought your "except for the english" commenatry on the other thread was funny, so I dropped in with McCourt's little aphorism on the subject.
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Sorry, I was angry at that other idiot and I picked you up wrong.
 
FreeThinkers said:
Fries? You mean like chips? :confused:
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No, not french fries...I mean what we call 'home fries'.

Maybe you dont have them in Ireland...GASP!!!

You just boil some whole potatoes, chop them up into bite sizes, and then fry them lightly in an iron pan.

Its hard to find good fries...and I think the secret has to do with the moisture content and temperature right before they go into the pan.

Usually in restaurants theyre either too hard, or dry, or mushy...greasy, whatever.

Its getting more difficult to find good restaurants around these parts. The sheeple are all heading to MacDonalds...:cool:
 
Carcano said:
No, not french fries...I mean what we call 'home fries'.

Maybe you dont have them in Ireland...GASP!!!

You just boil some whole potatoes, chop them up into bite sizes, and then fry them lightly in an iron pan.

Its hard to find good fries...and I think the secret has to do with the moisture content and temperature right before they go into the pan.

Usually in restaurants theyre either too hard, or dry, or mushy...greasy, whatever.

Its getting more difficult to find good restaurants around these parts. The sheeple are all heading to MacDonalds...:cool:
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I know what you're talking about now! I just didn't know the English name. The secret is just a good pan, it makes a really big difference. And don't make the pieces too big or they're horrible.
 
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M*W: I've never heard of such a thing as American's hating the Irish! That couldn't possibly happen, because probably 99% of White Americans have some Irish in them. I do! My ancestors emigrated from Germany in the 1600s to England, but the monarch at the time said "no more Germans were allowed in England," so they had to turn their boats to Dublin (or north of Dublin). My German ancestors ended up in Dundalk, County Louth, in a place called Kilkerley. Eventually, they immigrated to North Carolina in America in the early 1800s. I still have very good friends in Cloyne, County Cork. I'm proud to be partly Irish!
 
FreeThinkers said:
I can't really type it: It's piosai pratai, but there's a dash on top of all the 'i's. It literally can be translated as 'pieces of potatos'.
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See...that explains how the Irish managed to survive the last 700 years...the English could never understand what they were on about.
 
Carcano said:
See...that explains how the Irish managed to survive the last 700 years...the English could never understand what they were on about.
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That's probably they outlawed Irish, didn't work though did it? The numbers of people speaking Gaeilge is on the increase again.

It's a great language, far older than the Bearla (English).
 
domesticated om said:
I saw a "no Irish need apply" sign hanging behind the bar at an Irish restaurant once among the usual bar-room curios.
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Every immigrant group goes through a "rite of passage" of discrimination when they first start coming to America. The Irish were one of the first groups so that sign is probably from the mid-19th century, a genuine antique. A generation or two later, Irish became so respected for their sense of decency that they were overrepresented in police forces. It became a cliche for American cops to speak with Irish accents.

The same thing happened with the Italians up through the era of Al Capone and the Mafia and now, like the Irish, they have been thoroughly assimilated. I suspect you could not find an American of third-generation Irish or Italian ancestry who still identifies himself as a hyphenated-American and whose blood is not as thoroughly blended in the Melting Pot as the rest of ours. Americans no longer even realize that names like "Malloy" are of Irish origin. Only names starting with O'.

Look at the Asian immigrants. They got the worst treatment of anybody (of those who came here voluntarily or were not here first, anyway). There were laws against giving them citizenship and at one point Japanese-Americans were regarded as disloyal by virtue of their race and put in camps. Nowadays Asian-Americans are regarded as the quintessential American scholars and entrepreneurs that everyone wants their children to emulate.

If there's any rancor toward the Irish, it's over the IRA thing. We have nothing against good honest armed revolt, may the best man win and all that, but we absolutely despise terrorists. But we have duly noticed that the IRA leaders are shrewd enough to realize that this is not the right era to choose terrorism as a tactic. And boy howdy do we ever respect that!

No, I would say that we Americans love the Irish almost as much as we love the English. Not that we've got anything against the Scots or the Welsh, we just don't know much about them.
St Patrick's day in celebrated by everybody (although it's mutated into more of a 'drinking holiday' as opposed to a religious one).
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All of our holidays have become secularized. It's said that in America the two most recognizable icons of Christianity are Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

We celebrate St. Paddy's Day the same way we celebrate Cinco de Mayo. (The Fifth of May, a rather obscure Mexican holiday that is more celebrated here than Mexico's actual independence day, September 16.) By drinking beer from the country in question. In fact a beer commercial is running on TV right now, showing an Irishman slowly walking down a long country lane, explaining how Irishmen love to celebrate "this day." He walks into a pub, it's all decorated in Mexican themes, the publican is wearing a sombrero, and serving Mexican beer.
There are also a lot of Irish customs and traditions which have seamlessly merged into the American culture.
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"Celtic" music is all the rage these days. People have even begun pronouncing the C as a K, which I guess is how it's done in Gaelic.
FreeThinkers said:
Sexy accents? Do you really think so?
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We Americans just love to listen to people speaking our language with a foreign accent, something I don't think we share with the British. Sometimes we find it humorous, sometimes charming, but we love it. Irish, Russian, German, Swedish, Spanish, Italian, French, Farsi, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese... there are entertainers who build their entire careers on learning to speak with an exaggerated foreign accent. Even British and Aussie accents. Even a Canadian accent, and that's not easy to discern.

Erin go bragh.
 
Fraggle Rocker said:
If there's any rancor toward the Irish, it's over the IRA thing.
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I don't see rancor over the IRA in America. Heck - you can walk into any bar, and order a drink called an "Irish car bomb", and it's not even looked at as some sort of jab-insult at the culture. It's reference is more akin to the same removal of context as the 'secularism'. one might even say that they are seen as somewhat iconic.
 
Fraggle Rocker said:
If there's any rancor toward the Irish, it's over the IRA thing. We have nothing against good honest armed revolt, may the best man win and all that, but we absolutely despise terrorists. But we have duly noticed that the IRA leaders are shrewd enough to realize that this is not the right era to choose terrorism as a tactic. And boy howdy do we ever respect that!
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Well, the IRA are long gone now. But you have to understand that although everyone hates the IRA now because of the terrorism and all that, secretly, most Irish people still owe the 'old IRA' a small debt of gratitude, they got us independence, if it wasn't for them we'd still be under British control. It's like how Americans will always have great respect for George Washington.

Most Irish people now actually speak of two different IRAs, the 'old' or good one, that you're allowed to like and that are to be celebrated, and the 'new' or post-treaty ones that are terrorists and are evil.
 
Fraggle Rocker said:
The same thing happened with the Italians up through the era of Al Capone and the Mafia and now, like the Irish, they have been thoroughly assimilated. I suspect you could not find an American of third-generation Irish or Italian ancestry who still identifies himself as a hyphenated-American and whose blood is not as thoroughly blended in the Melting Pot as the rest of ours. Americans no longer even realize that names like "Malloy" are of Irish origin. Only names starting with O'.
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The funny thing about names beginning with O', is that o in Irish means from, or descendant of. But nowadays its use is generally restricted to males, and taken to mean son of, while ni means daughter of. For example, my name would be Aoife ni Bhaoill because I'm a girl, but my brother is Padraig O' Baoill. Therefore, it seems funny when I hear non-Irish girls saying that their name is something O' something, because it makes their name male. It's a common mistake throughout America and other countries.
 
the irish down in kilburn and cricklewood north west london mostly drink alot in pubs and own jewlery shops,

good fellows when they are sober, that means they are assholes because when is an irish person sober?


joking ofcourse, we love the irish here in england

peace.
 
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