... you have to see this

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/facts/default.mspx i know alot of you probly have seen this but... danm... LOL it always makes me laugh when i read it =P

 

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Only college undergrads widely supports linux. Most professionnals and engineers are still (rightfully) geared towards unix/microsoft or sun products. Maybe in a couple of years this will change, but I doubt it.

 

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" Only college undergrads widely supports linux"

hahaha. You've gotta be living under a rock.

I've already converted two illiterate friends and they love it! Plus, the situation you describe is completely opposite my university, with 'undergrads' still on windows (my faculty is comp sci, BTW), and all sun machines being phased out in favour of fedora linux. The only company still pushing commercial unix is SUN (a battle they're loosing.)

Even microsoft will have to bow to open source over sender ID.

 

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Yes, SUN is indeed loosing... to Microsoft.

Its funny that you challenged this statement : "Only college undergrads widely supports linux" but not this statement : "st professionnals and engineers are still (rightfully) geared towards unix/microsoft or sun products"

May it be because the second statement is accurate? As for the first, I will admit that it would have been closer to the truth if I had said : "most of the people that widely support linux are undergrads".

But in any cases, the problem with open source comes down to the fact that many companies are more confortable buying software that is backed up by a company under voluntary contract to support its products.

Now that IBM has started actively supporting linux, that may change but, as I said I doubt it.

 

Both boast as better than the other... typical...

 

"But in any cases, the problem with open source comes down to the fact that many companies are more confortable buying software that is backed up by a company under voluntary contract to support its products."

Like I said, my university is switching to fedora for that exact reason-- support. They have another choice in suse, and what with all the cheap brainpowerf, getting support costs hardly anything

The fact that most 'professionals' and 'engineers' use a commercialized unix or microsoft, is because its a forcefed, managerial decision, made by these uneducated business brats terrified by the notion of open standards and cooperation. Unless you're one of these so called professionals who prefers the commercial products for their err..technical merrits, I haven't met a single one

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Personally, I spent 150$ on a server that sun would've charged at least 10x more for. Its 100% custom too, no frills

Only geared by the thought of loosing their jobs!

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I-as an undergrad- am willing to use whatever operating system the dickhead managers stick in front of me. As long as they pay me. :m:

 

Many Sun users have been experimenting in Apple-land (FreeBSD/Mach) as well over the past three years; the XServes have been getting rave reviews, and have converted a number of people who I knew as Windows die-hards. An unlimited user-license server OS for <$1k is a pretty big deal when setting up a network.

Windows still owns 90% of the desktop, but server land is still up in the air. Linux has gained a significant server share, and is growing. Apache's marketshare and the mono project are certainly helping Linux/BSD in this area.
I see Linux in small to mid-range web/email servers, more and more big iron systems too.
Sun's open sourcing of Solaris should help their OS market share numbers stabalize a bit, but the low-end and cluster models for hardware are really eating into the big-iron market; that's helping linux become the OS of choice for many. Besides, Sun makes money from it's hardware; Solaris on Intel won't help much there.

Linux vs Unix for "engineers": much is managerial, and alot is software availability; historical carry-over in a market which couldn't switch to Windows because it was crap for so long. Linux is great, and always improving, but Unix still has a history behind it - it has been time-tested to a degree which Linux has yet to reach.

I like Apple systems because I get a Linux-like OS with support for my digital camera out of the box. It can run Photoshop while I run GIMP in X11 or GNOME. It's technical merits are that it's an above-average standards compliant BSD compatable OS with an above average GUI - and it comes with mainstream support and drivers for tons of hardware.

I build cheap-o whitebox systems for my friends who could care less about a command line, and only want to spend <$200 on a machine that can run Doom III. I certainly wouldn't use one of those systems in any mission-critical workflow, however....
And as a side note, I use win2k on a 4 year old Dell at work, cause that's what my manager stuck in front of me

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Compared to hp-ux and solaris, linux is a breeze to use, maintain, upgrade, and manage. Plus, I find that it outperforms the former two in almost everything. Building a powerful linux rig from ground up is also a LOT cheaper than buying a unix server of similar proportions from one of the big names.

In fact, I'd recommend using linux (or FreeBSD) for everything except huge production databases (oracle, informix, etc), and even then I'd only be turning somewhere else because the DB-vendors won't guarantee operation under linux for one reason or another.

Windows on the other hand I wouldn't be seen dead using in a production environment, except in direct relation to managing user workstations (Fileservers, domain controllers, etc).

 

I find this comment interesting as I know and work with many professionals and companies that run various flavors of linux (as well as unix and microsoft). In fact... over the years the number of companies that we create enterprise solutions for that REQUEST linux or aix for stability has increased.

One thing I have noticed becoming very popular are interface engines for win programs and unix/linux/aix systems. This limits the need for countless programmers to constantly have to create interface batches and quash bugs.