I have been studying orientlaism and imperalism... and its look to me that our increasing world of globalisation mean that the 'western' dominance will push all the way and wipe out the cultures of the 'east' ..... I really ope im worng

Culturally it will be a blend. Many thousand years ago, Aryans invaded India ...as the story goes, and China and India have been trading for thousands of years (Taoism, Hinduism, Buddhism)...India itself got exposed to Christianity during Jesus time....

So....it will be a blend....butterflies with many colors....

I've always liked the idea that it can only be a matter of time before all skincolour is a mixture of white, black, red and yellow :)

It will be hard for racists to get their jobs done then. They will need to start ask id cards to know if someone is a stranger.:p

There is another way to solve this race proble. As our civilization grows, we may have enemies outside of our planet - when that happens, we will quickly unite against a common enemy...it could happen sooner than you think.

Those blue people may be back....

Yes, I know.

A while ago I visited a lot of conspiracy and Area 51 sites and stuff.

I must say: there is a LOT of crap on them. I don't understand why people feel the need to tell lies in an area where truth and lie are so close together already. I guess it is disinformation :)

But what I wanted to say: maybe they are already here. If they could bend time (you know, to travel quickly, there's a theory about that), then why couldn't they bend the frequency field that we use to form our view on reality?

I am NOT a believer! I am a considerer :) :)

want to see the future of decrimination watch gatica

All things are possible but some stuff are improbable. Trying to find what is probable without concrete evidence is like figureing out what the terrorist will do next. Remember we thought they might use the plane as a missile but we did not think that is probable....

So, the best defense from being called a crackpot is to use a lot of disclaimers but discuss possibilities until we get some real proof...

Well, I made sure of that by saying that I am a considerer, not a believer :) :)

That works for me....:D

So you think this aspect of globalisation is good? the only thing is, its the 'west' domnating the 'eas't its not like its a balanced mix

I think so (good that is...)

I am 40% East and 60% West. My personal life is East while my business life is West. That gives me an edge on performance. I can walk into any company, browse their database (10 hrs), talk to the COO, CFO for a few minutes and know exactly what the problem is and what it would take to fix it. But I seem to work hard for 3 months so that they will think they are getting their money's worth.

So, a blend of the two would help....

But would say it you would be better off havng more 'western' aspects about you than 'eastern'... do you think you could survive the lifestyle you live right now?

You mean, poping pills, affairs, coronary bypass, trophy wife....that short of thing?

Umm well what I meant was, you said your were 60% west... etc... if it were reversed do you think you would be treated differently?

In the west, yes. People in a certain culture have certain expectations. They will assume that I do not understand the idiosynchracies and hence could be a detriment to the way of making money for them.

Even 100% West but a female gender has a similar problem. The males think, the female will not hangout with them after hours and BS a lot while someone comes up with a way to beat the competition....they are forced to hire females in a male culture because the government says so!

Wow, tahts crazy... t me tanyway. I guess noone is ina position to judge, We are all as werid or as saina s each other lol

Awwk!!! Asguard, the Archspace council that exploited a bug in the game to win and force a reset!!! ARRGGHH!!!

Ahem. As for the current question...

I would say that I hope East and West combines to produce a new culture that has all the good sides of the both sides but without the drawbacks...lol we can only hope for such a good result.

The thing about East is...(warning some generalizations coming through BEEP BEEP)...that it tends to care much about the mind and soul, often to such an extent that it forgets about practical things. It forgets that you have to eat to live in its pursuit of mental and spiritual enlightenment. As a result, many Eastern countries stress education a lot.

The thing about West is that it is very practicall, and therefore efficient. But it is too worldly and it often finds voids in people's souls and minds (boy, you should see how dumb some Americans are...only half of them knew that humans and dinosaurs did NOT coexist!!!).

As a result, you see some Westerners taking interest in Eastern Religions and philosophy, and Eastern countries going for 'modernization' (a bit of Western practicality that would bring prosperity...). The trend is that...they will probably assimilate each other.


The only problem is the US. If all countries are equal in power the above scenario should work. But since the US is the only superpower (I know China is fast rising...but not yet) it has more control. America forces open foreign markets and dumps its US culture there to sell, and this is destroying Eastern culture. Also, since America has the prosperity to prove it, Easterners may be led to believe that its culture is also somehow superior. The situation is somewhat unpredictable but it is a bit gloomy. The American definition of globalization is 'making all others Americanish'. That is what the US is telling everyone by its actions.

Any comments?

Any comments?

I do...I do...I do...:D


boy, you should see how dumb some Americans are...only half of them knew that humans and dinosaurs did NOT coexist!!!

I did not know that...I thought Eastern culture puts several life cycles/civilization (Yugas) for humans on this planet for 120 million years! :)

Also, since America has the prosperity to prove it, Easterners may be led to believe that its culture is also somehow superior.

Well...during the idustrial revolution, most immigrants came from Europe. But today's Information culture, there are a lot of immigrants from Asia that are dominating that practice. So, east and west is already blended in America. And that is the new culture...being exported.

Correction. America is forcing open foreign markets and foreign cultures are in serious danger of being globalized (translation: Americanized).

Originally posted by Zero
Correction. America is forcing open foreign markets and foreign cultures are in serious danger of being globalized (translation: Americanized).

most of them already are!

Originally posted by kmguru
I am 40% East and 60% West. My personal life is East while my business life is West.

You mean you are a white American with a Chinese wife? Just being nosy. :p

I also have quite a bit of background on Eastern cultures and philosophy.

Usually people think American culture is the worst because there is none. Immigrants are not really melting into a new culture but instead their cultures are stripped off.

Here are a few problems. (I am gonna say American culture instead of the West since I admit I am not an expert with Western culture.

1. Americans don't take care of the elderly. People themselves don't but rely on the government instead. In the East you suppose to take care of your parents whenever they get old. They suppose to move into your house.

2. Strong individualism.

3. Instant gratification.

4. Every conflict is resolved in court.

5. Degenerating moral standard.

6. Low standard in education.

There are problems with Eastern cultures too. People grew up are required to be more sophiscated and more fake which I don't like. The conservative attitude is very strong. If you study Chinese history, you will find out every single reform in China eventually failed because of the strong resistance from the conservatives, except those involved with blood.

The official language of Euro is English, I think...

America is just an extension of UK....a big one I might add.

Look, that might be a scary statement. US an extension of UK????? The UK is strugglign to beat that US economy but is failing continually. The US might be allied to the UK somewhat, but it is NOT an extension of UK. Why wouldn't it stop growing in econ to give UK some chance then?

Ach, I don't know. But I do know that this is NOT the revolutionary war period. It probably ended:D

Originally posted by Zero
The UK is strugglign to beat that US economy but is failing continually.

It happens because in US we started the new age, while the Brits are still stuck in the past. I should know, being in the information technology business. I have met a lot of Brits in this business. The truth is they have the foggiest idea what IT is and how to use it. A lot of them show up stateside with their funny accents. By the time the American business figures out, what a mess these people created - that American company is gone. It is because they dont want to learn the new American culture (the business process) which has been so successful.

Several years ago, when I was looking for a job, I sent my resume to several British companies in USA and the recruiting agencies in UK. No one even talked to me about my impressive resume (to American standards) - let alone offer me a job. At the time, I did not think much and started free lance consulting. Later I realized, those companies have all packed up their bags and gone home with tail between their legs.

America is great not because we do things the old way, but we constantly generate new ideas and processes. That is an exception in the old world.

while living in s. asia my first teacher was an american buddhist monk

as for culture, does it really matter if one is clad in jeans or a sarong?
munches on a chappati or burger?watches hollywood or bollywood?

i tend to see more similarities than differences between east and west.
humans tend to have the same needs regardless of location.
making assumptions that the east is more noble,the west is corrupt is
unwarranted.

america has no culture? that is a ridiculous statement! for a young nation,
the achievements have been tremendous. by whose standards is america's being measured?

Please try to use proper punctuation, grammar and spelling.

Originally posted by Zero
Please try to use proper punctuation, grammar and spelling.

Duly noted!:D

"What? It is absolutely necessary for kids to believe in Santa when they are young!! It is a major part of teachign them to dream. Pity the poor intellectual who does not know how to dream."

I must ask you to please do the same!:D

Originally posted by spookz


Duly noted!:D

"What? It is absolutely necessary for kids to believe in Santa when they are young!! It is a major part of teachign them to dream. Pity the poor intellectual who does not know how to dream."

I must ask you to please do the same!:D

u sure sure u have the right thread?!

1. Americans don't take care of the elderly. People themselves don't but rely on the government instead. In the East you suppose to take care of your parents whenever they get old. They suppose to move into your house.

Not necessarily true. We are taking care of our parents. Luckily, here the healthcare is provided by medicare and there are assisted living quarters for emergency support which we may not be able to handle. In the East, the kids end up in the big city while the parents are stuck somewhere else.

2. Strong individualism.

Again, it is a generalization. And I think, the same is becoming true in the East too. Nothing wrong with that - moderation works everywhere...

3. Instant gratification.

That is a problem with my kids. They are learning though...

4. Every conflict is resolved in court.

That is because of the way the laws are made and enforced. USA is a country of lawyers. They are basically a large rich union. Same thing will happen as soon as there are enough lawyers in the East.

5. Degenerating moral standard.

There are more Bribery in East than in West. Moral standards are fairly equal on average

6. Low standard in education.

Not true at all. Americans learn on the job and therefore surpass their counter parts in the East in a few short years. That is why it is still the number uno in economy

You mean you are a white American with a Chinese wife?

For some reason, I did not have any luck with Chinese American or Korean American females (either as friends or co-workers) - even though I made friends in China when I was there. Most of my female friends are/were basic European origin including Spanish variety who love my Eastern social outlook. I guess, it helps - listening to their marital problems! I could write books on that.

Man, I wrote that post a long time ago. You just saw it now?

Originally posted by kmguru
1. Americans don't take care of the elderly. People themselves don't but rely on the government instead. In the East you suppose to take care of your parents whenever they get old. They suppose to move into your house.

Taking care of elderly is one of the virtues. In fact, there is a word to describe that virtue but in English there is no direct translation. In the East, you don't even know social security of Medicare.

I think you are correct about moral. Most people over there believes Americans have no moral. I think it's about equal.

Education grade K-12 in US is very bad. When I move back to US in 9th grade, I was so far ahead. I was ready for pre-cal but most people my age are still taking Algebra. When I took science courses there were nothing new for me. There home work and difficulty of the exames are nothing compare to the East. US catch up in college eventually.

A few thoughts...

As countries in the East become more industrialized and use the same business processes in the East, it will look like West. In the social side, we in the West need to learn from the East and not push our structure to them.

My kids were in 5th/6th grade in Florida, then we moved to Utah. Utah schools were atleast 2 grades behind. So, we had no choice but to move them to college after 10th directly without a high school diploma. The kids were upset, but thanked me after their college degrees ahead of their highschool buddies.

I think education is East is better. I know lots and lots of Asian parents send their kids to Asia for a few years.

It is better because in US the pace of the class is geared toward the stupidest kids in the class room. The attitude is "we don't want any kids to be left behind". The end result is just about every kid gets left behind.

In Asia people are broken up in the groups. There is a promotion/relegation system in school. There were 4 main groups in the school I went to. We had 8 classes of 40 students each. Each class takes exact same classes and everyone stay in the same room the whole time. We had 1 class for kids with either bad grades or have disciplinary problems. 6 classes are for normal kids. One class of above average kids and one class for cream of the crops. Kids can go up or down depends on their test score. There are different styles of instructors geared toward each type of students. The instructor usually imposes military style of teaching for students with bad grades or have bad disciplinary problems. If the kids are lazy or don't do homeworks, the teachers will really chew on them. For the groups with smart kids, teachers are nicer but more demanding. There were more homeworks. Exams were tougher. Under this system some kids can be very far ahead. I was very far ahead when I came back to US.

Originally posted by Agent@5


u sure sure u have the right thread?!

yes
reply to zero who advises others on their grammar and spelling
i am sure i am nitpicking but feel free to ignore my posts if they
do not come upto ones standards
:D

Originally posted by Zero
What? It is absolutely necessary for kids to believe in Santa when they are young!! It is a major part of teachign them to dream. Pity the poor intellectual who does not know how to dream.

I tend to be a cold intellectual, but I do dream. I also have very high respect for poets.

Originally posted by spookz


yes
reply to zero who advises others on their grammar and spelling
i am sure i am nitpicking but feel free to ignore my posts if they
do not come upto ones standards
:D



Hey hey hey, settle pettle... its just that there was a thread on believing in santa... and yeah.... stuff....