View Full Version : wich chemical for dissolving bone?


EmptyForceOfChi
08-29-07, 06:08 PM
what is the best chemical to use if you wanted to despose of a body, for example human.


peace.

Orleander
08-29-07, 06:14 PM
vinegar? lye?

EmptyForceOfChi
08-29-07, 06:17 PM
not fast enough.

peace.

Orleander
08-29-07, 06:19 PM
woodchipperonium?

Enmos
08-29-07, 06:20 PM
Any acid, Hydrochloric acid for example will do the job fine. What are you planning.. ? lol

spidergoat
08-29-07, 06:26 PM
nitroglycerin

Enmos
08-29-07, 06:29 PM
Hydrofluoric acid (HF) is supposedly the best chemical to dispose of human flesh/bone.
So you should go with that i guess. Who did you kill ? ;)



Symptoms of skin exposure to dilute HF are not felt immediately, but can be fatal. Highly concentrated solutions may lead to acute hypocalcemia, followed by cardiac arrest and death. This will usually be fatal in as little as 2% body exposure (about the size of the sole of the foot). This substance should be handled with extreme care, beyond that accorded to hydrochloric, sulfuric, or other mineral acids.

Due to low dissociation constant, HF can penetrate tissues quickly. Hydrofluoric acid which comes into direct contact with the fingers can severely damage or destroy the tissue underneath the nail without causing any damage to the nail itself. It is this ability to cause little harm to outer tissues but considerable harm to inner tissues which can produce dangerous delays in treatment of hydrofluoric acid exposure. Once the pain starts, it is out of proportion to the burns produced. Patients often describe the feeling as if they have struck their fingers with a hammer. HF that penetrates under the skin causes later development of painful ulcers, which heal slowly.

Orleander
08-29-07, 06:32 PM
nitroglycerin

LOL, yep, that will definitely take care of it.

spidergoat
08-29-07, 06:35 PM
A large tank of propane.

EmptyForceOfChi
08-29-07, 07:11 PM
Any acid, Hydrochloric acid for example will do the job fine. What are you planning.. ? lol

hey im asking the questions here!.


peace.

EmptyForceOfChi
08-29-07, 07:14 PM
woodchipperonium?

something in bottle form :). (that fits into a car maybe).


nitroglycerin
isnt that like super dangerous?


Hydrofluoric acid (HF) is supposedly the best chemical to dispose of human flesh/bone.
So you should go with that i guess. Who did you kill ? ;)

this sounds good.


A large tank of propane.

yeah without blowing up my house would be nice. :)



peace,

Billy T
08-29-07, 07:43 PM
Nitroglycerin
...isnt that like super dangerous?...You just said dispose of a "a human body" - doesn't yours qualify as one? :D

EmptyForceOfChi
08-29-07, 07:51 PM
Nitroglycerin You just said dispose of a "a human body" - doesn't yours qualify as one? :D

lol yeah, but i didnt have that in mind :). and this human body i speak of (lets call him tyrone), is hypothetical.


peace.

Billy T
08-29-07, 08:06 PM
Ok, then I suggest one of the acids, but if you have chilled poor Tyrone, I also suggest you thaw him out first.

If that is a photo of you, it seems like you could do that OK. ;)

Perhaps if you do thaw him, you may not want to dispose of his body. :shrug:

Good luck in any case.

cosmictraveler
08-29-07, 08:15 PM
EEGADS woman what are you considering? What is your problem that you want this information?

EmptyForceOfChi
08-29-07, 08:15 PM
Ok, then I suggest one of the acids, but if you have chilled poor Tyrone, I also suggest you thaw him out first.

If that is a photo of you, it seems like you could do that OK. ;)

Perhaps if you do thaw him, you may not want to dispose of his body. :shrug:

Good luck in any case.

hey thats a picture of my wife, tyrone is not chilled, he does not exist right now.

what happens if you apply acid to a frozen subject? something exciting i take it.


peace.

EmptyForceOfChi
08-29-07, 08:18 PM
EEGADS woman what are you considering? What is your problem that you want this information?

what does eegads mean? and there is no problem, i just want a hypothetical solution. why does everybody assume something fishy is going on.


this is perfectly normal scientific debate. ;)

peace.

Exhumed
08-29-07, 10:17 PM
This is when it started looking fishy:


something in bottle form :). (that fits into a car maybe).


isnt that like super dangerous?



this sounds good.



yeah without blowing up my house would be nice. :)



peace,

:bugeye:

btw, I don't know about in the UK (where I think you're from?), but in the US you couldn't easily obtain a large enough quantity to dissolve a human body. : O

leopold
08-29-07, 10:54 PM
What are you planning.. ? lol
well he bragged about torturing people inside his house.
the fucking idiot could be up to anything.
i believe he should be reported to the authorities.

Billy T
08-30-07, 06:29 AM
...what happens if you apply acid to a frozen subject? something exciting i take it. peace.No - I was just applying a useful "rule of thumb" (not always even approximately correct) which is that chemical process proceed at half the rate every time you drop the INITIAL temperature by 10 degrees C. (If the reaction is exothermic the heat released rapidly increases the reaction rate - reason why "initial" is in all caps.)

As someone has suggested "woodchopperium" I will add:

"bulldogium" and "sharkium"

EmptyForceOfChi
08-30-07, 07:39 AM
This is when it started looking fishy:



:bugeye:

btw, I don't know about in the UK (where I think you're from?), but in the US you couldn't easily obtain a large enough quantity to dissolve a human body. : O

ofcourse i could, you can go to 10 different places that supply it, and buy a 10th of what you need from each place.

peace.

EmptyForceOfChi
08-30-07, 07:43 AM
well he bragged about torturing people inside his house.
the fucking idiot could be up to anything.
i believe he should be reported to the authorities.

i never bragged about torturing anybody. im not up to anything, i just wanted to know something. this is all hypothetical and not based on a real situation.


cant you just chill,

peace.

EmptyForceOfChi
08-30-07, 07:47 AM
No - I was just applying a useful "rule of thumb" (not always even approximately correct) which is that chemical process proceed at half the rate every time you drop the INITIAL temperature by 10 degrees C. (If the reaction is exothermic the heat released rapidly increases the reaction rate - reason why "initial" is in all caps.)

As someone has suggested "woodchopperium" I will add:

"bulldogium" and "sharkium"

lol, thanks for the info, i didnt know that before. i know all of the other ways, but i wanted to know about chemicals only. basicaly what is the strongest acid.

peace.

Enmos
08-30-07, 07:49 AM
lol, thanks for the info, i didnt know that before. i know all of the other ways, but i wanted to know about chemicals only. basicaly what is the strongest acid.

peace.

HF is, I already told you ;)

EmptyForceOfChi
08-30-07, 07:58 AM
HF is, I already told you ;)

its the most powerful acid?, sorry i didnt realise i just thought you were saying it was good.

thanks :)

peace.

Nasor
08-30-07, 09:14 AM
Hydrofluoric acid (HF) is supposedly the best chemical to dispose of human flesh/bone.
So you should go with that i guess. Who did you kill ? ;)
Although I wasn’t planning on saying anything in this thread, I feel I should point out that attempting to use HF for anything is a very bad idea.

Enmos
08-30-07, 10:22 AM
Although I wasn’t planning on saying anything in this thread, I feel I should point out that attempting to use HF for anything is a very bad idea.

Hmm yeah, its its really poisonous. It can kill you when it gets into contact with your skin, inhaling the toxic fumes is a bad idea as well.

spidergoat
08-30-07, 10:25 AM
yeah without blowing up my house would be nice. :)



peace,

I meant to use in a furnace application. Just burn it.

Orleander
08-30-07, 11:02 AM
I meant to use in a furnace application. Just burn it.


too smelly. Would acid disolve a body without a lot of smell? You would have to put them in a sealed drum to avoid that, I think.
I think teh best way to get rid of a body is dump them a few miles out in the ocean.

Billy T
08-30-07, 12:49 PM
You would have to put them in a sealed drum to avoid that, I think.
I think teh best way to get rid of a body is dump them a few miles out in the ocean.Sealed drum is likely to explode and the hydrogen released when it does so may make a secondary explosion (If shock wave heating of the air gets it to the ignition point temperature.).

I think you are joining my suggestion to used "sharkium" for processing the body. weren't you the guy (or gal) who suggested the artifical / man-made compound woodchopperium? I definitely prefer the natural chemical complex of sharkium as there will be no incriminating blood stain traces etc. (but the bones may not be entirely gone for several month as the digestive processes of sharkium compond are very slow.

Orleander
08-30-07, 03:00 PM
...I think you are joining my suggestion to used "sharkium" for processing the body. ....

oooo, sharkium is much much better than woodchipperonium. MUCH better...cleaner and probably more entertaining.

fo3
08-31-07, 06:44 AM
HF is, I already told you ;)

Technically, it is a rather weak acid, but has good corrosive properties. If you are looking for outright strongest acids, you would probably need to look into organic acids or enzymes.

Enmos
08-31-07, 10:24 AM
Technically, it is a rather weak acid, but has good corrosive properties. If you are looking for outright strongest acids, you would probably need to look into organic acids or enzymes.

Technically it's weak but as far as I know it is the most corrosive acid around.

Billy T
08-31-07, 02:06 PM
I noticed the omission of a letter in the first word of thread's title but still want to agree with title's recommendation to use "Witch Chemical." It is one of the best. ;)

But do not get it wet (as Dorthy did) or it will self dissolve. (In H2O , I think it transforms 100% into ionic form that ionizes away.)

For really resistant bones, I recommend a 50/50 mix of Witch and BullDogium. (The latter creats more surface area for the former to act on.)

Avatar
08-31-07, 02:16 PM
So apparently EmptyForceOfChi wants a chemical solution to dispose of a frozen body that is in his house and that he can then load in his car. Hypothetically. Right.

spidergoat
08-31-07, 02:41 PM
Drano
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr%C4%81no

shichimenshyo
08-31-07, 02:41 PM
what a creepy question to ask

Orleander
08-31-07, 03:12 PM
I bet gas, hairspray, fire and fireworks will do the job.
:grumble:

spidergoat
08-31-07, 03:13 PM
Orleander's husband knows what to do!

Enmos
08-31-07, 07:57 PM
Maybe Orleander's husband could try some HF lol

EmptyForceOfChi
08-31-07, 08:03 PM
what a creepy question to ask

maybe, but i needed to know the answer.


peace.

Enmos
08-31-07, 08:04 PM
maybe, but i needed to know the answer.


peace.

Are you writing a story or something ?

draqon
08-31-07, 08:13 PM
...EFC...how's your wife?

EmptyForceOfChi
08-31-07, 09:32 PM
Are you writing a story or something ?

no for research im starting on prototype ammunition.


peace.

EmptyForceOfChi
09-02-07, 07:22 AM
...EFC...how's your wife?

she is finding it hard coping with pregnancy.

peace.

EndLightEnd
09-02-07, 10:54 PM
the best way to dispose of a human body is with pigs. Pigs will go through bone like butter. 16 pigs can finish off a 200 lbs body in about eight minutes (you have to chop them up first of course). Be wary of any man who owns a pig farm.

redarmy11
09-03-07, 03:15 AM
Like acid and nitroglycerine, pigs will potentially leave tell-tale fragments. I'd go with sharkium or blasting them into outer space-ium. Be sure to remove any heads, fingers and toes first and dispose of these seperately. Always keep your guard up - as the years slip by it's easy to get careless. Remember that murder is still murder 20 years down the line, as far as the authorities are concerned. You really don't want to be starting a long prison sentence when you should be kicking back and thinking about your retirement.

EmptyForceOfChi
09-03-07, 05:36 AM
the best way to dispose of a human body is with pigs. Pigs will go through bone like butter. 16 pigs can finish off a 200 lbs body in about eight minutes (you have to chop them up first of course). Be wary of any man who owns a pig farm.

yeah i know, but im looking for chemicals and acids that can dissolve bone and flesh.


peace.

EmptyForceOfChi
09-03-07, 05:37 AM
Like acid and nitroglycerine, pigs will potentially leave tell-tale fragments. I'd go with sharkium or blasting them into outer space-ium. Be sure to remove any heads, fingers and toes first and dispose of these seperately. Always keep your guard up - as the years slip by it's easy to get careless. Remember that murder is still murder 20 years down the line, as far as the authorities are concerned. You really don't want to be starting a long prison sentence when you should be kicking back and thinking about your retirement.


thanks for the advice.


peace.

orcot
09-03-07, 06:43 AM
annybody ever tought abouth simply renting a little boad and drop them in the sea with some weights on? Why all that trouble with the slicing and stuff that's yust messy, and if you wan't to cut up the body perce then first freeze it before slicing and use it as fish feed who knows perhaps you catch a good fish.

Enmos
09-03-07, 07:25 AM
Piranic acid (2/3 sulphuric acid and 1/3 hydrogen peroxide) is also one to check out. Makes you burst into flames..

But if you really want to make bullets containing some flesh eating -chemical go with HF, it's poisonous as hell and eats away flesh/bone.

EmptyForceOfChi
09-04-07, 12:41 AM
Piranic acid (2/3 sulphuric acid and 1/3 hydrogen peroxide) is also one to check out. Makes you burst into flames..

But if you really want to make bullets containing some flesh eating -chemical go with HF, it's poisonous as hell and eats away flesh/bone.

that sounds good, poisonous and acidic. what about mercury?


peace.

Captain Kremmen
09-04-07, 06:10 PM
"Magic acid " might do the job
It's great at dissolving candles
don't know about bones though

Why not dissolve some candles?


http://www.psc.edu/science/klein2000.html

Enmos
09-04-07, 06:27 PM
that sounds good, poisonous and acidic. what about mercury?


peace.

Mercury is poisonous as well but doesn't eat away bone and flesh as far as I know.

EmptyForceOfChi
09-04-07, 06:44 PM
"Magic acid " might do the job
It's great at dissolving candles
don't know about bones though

Why not dissolve some candles?


http://www.psc.edu/science/klein2000.html

is magic acid a real thing lol? or are you pulling my leg?

peace.

EmptyForceOfChi
09-04-07, 06:46 PM
Mercury is poisonous as well but doesn't eat away bone and flesh as far as I know.

yeah i was thinking mercury laced lead, with an acid filled tip that mushroomes on impact.

peace.

Enmos
09-04-07, 07:07 PM
yeah i was thinking mercury laced lead, with an acid filled tip that mushroomes on impact.

peace.

This page may be of interest to you, I stumbled upon it :)
http://yarchive.net/gun/ammo/exploding_bullets.html

EmptyForceOfChi
09-04-07, 07:13 PM
This page may be of interest to you, I stumbled upon it :)
http://yarchive.net/gun/ammo/exploding_bullets.html

thanks, i will have a read :), the link has the words, gun, ammo and exploding bullets. im sold. is it about hollow tips?

peace.

Captain Kremmen
09-05-07, 12:54 AM
is magic acid a real thing lol? or are you pulling my leg?

peace.

No it's real. One Billion times stronger than sulphuric acid.
Should make short work of the bo-
erm, I mean,
Should be good for ammunition.


The acid works by using leapfrogging protons

Enmos
09-05-07, 05:12 AM
No it's real. One Billion times stronger than sulphuric acid.
Should make short work of the bo-
erm, I mean,
Should be good for ammunition.


The acid works by using leapfrogging protons

You mean this one ?


The strongest superacid system, the so-called fluoroantimonic acid, is a combination of hydrogen fluoride and SbF5. In this system, HF releases its proton (H+) concomitant with the binding of F− by the antimony pentafluoride. The resulting anion (SbF6−) is both a weak nucleophile and a weak base. The proton effectively becomes "naked", which accounts for the system's extreme acidity. Fluoroantimonic acid is 2×10^19 times stronger than 100% sulfuric acid, and can produce solutions with a pH down to –25.

Captain Kremmen
09-05-07, 05:59 AM
You mean this one ?


Yup. Flooroneemontynewmick acid
A Ph of -25.

Question is.
What do you keep it in?

What bath or shell casing could take it?

Enmos
09-05-07, 06:06 AM
Yup. Flooroneemontynewmick acid
A Ph of -25.

Question is.
What do you keep it in?

What bath or shell casing could take it?

Good question :scratchin:

Enmos
09-05-07, 06:13 AM
Yup. Flooroneemontynewmick acid
A Ph of -25.

Question is.
What do you keep it in?

What bath or shell casing could take it?

It seems Teflon (or Teflon.RTM whatever it is) would do it.


The reactions in superacid medium are carried out in hydrofluoric acid-resistant containers such as Teflon.RTM. or a steel of suitable composition.

Captain Kremmen
09-05-07, 06:15 AM
If you made in space, it would just form a globule, and need no container.
And in a vacuum there would be nothing for it to react with.

You are going to need a little trip into space EFoC.
And dont walk into the globule.

(or you can do it in a non-stick saucepan)

Enmos
09-05-07, 06:18 AM
If you made in space, it would just form a globule, and need no container.
And in a vacuum there would be nothing for it to react with.

You are going to need a little trip into space EFoC.
And dont walk into the globule.

(or you can do it in a non-stick saucepan)

If it's in a vacuum here on earth it could still react with the container. You also need zero gravity, but then it could still touch the container.

EmptyForceOfChi
09-05-07, 08:59 PM
wow, that sounds out of my league and way too much hasstle for ammunition. but very goos stuff. i never knew such a thing existed. are the military using anything like this at the moment?

what about some kind of acidic flesh eating spray gun?. also totaly off topic, has anybody heard about do3 before?.

peace.

nietzschefan
09-05-07, 09:17 PM
Dig up an old grave at an abandoned town/gravesite and bury his ass with some peasant in Cromwell's army.

Captain Kremmen
09-06-07, 12:27 AM
wow, that sounds out of my league and way too much hasstle for ammunition. but very goos stuff. i never knew such a thing existed. are the military using anything like this at the moment?

what about some kind of acidic flesh eating spray gun?. also totaly off topic, has anybody heard about do3 before?.

peace.

Here's a formerly secret released document on non-lethal military use of magic acid.
http://www.sunshine-project.org/incapacitants/azadehdel/superacids.pdf

Plus, the document has other non-lethal devices they dreamt up
in the "Sunshine Project"

Can't find anything about lethal use.

Michael
09-06-07, 05:15 AM
From wiki:

Fluoroantimonic acid HSbF6 is the strongest known superacid, which has been demonstrated to protonate even hydrocarbons to afford carbocations! The reaction of hydrogen fluoride (HF) and SbF5 is exothermic. HF releases its proton (H+), and its conjugate base (F−) is sequestered by one of more molecules SbF5 to give the octahedral SbF6−. This anion is classified as noncoordinating, because it is both a very weak nucleophile and a very weak base. The proton effectively becomes "naked", which accounts for the system's extreme acidity. Fluoroantimonic acid is 2×1019 times stronger than 100% sulfuric acid. Containers for HF-SbF5 are made of Teflon.


Gee, I always thought the best way to get rid of a body was to chop it up and feed it to gators? ;)

Michael
09-06-07, 05:19 AM
Oh, I see that was already covered :(

sorry

Captain Kremmen
09-06-07, 05:19 AM
From wiki:

[B]

Gee, I always thought the best way to get rid of a body was to chop it up and feed it to gators? ;)


It's NOT a body, it's ammunition remember.;)

Michael
09-06-07, 05:20 AM
Wouldn't a hole in the dessert be easiest?

Michael
09-06-07, 05:20 AM
Oh :)

S.A.M.
09-06-07, 05:26 AM
The easiest way to dissolve bone is how the body does it. Osteoclasts are cells that dissolve bone by removing the mineralised matrix, in a process called resorption.
http://www.coe-stemcell.keio.ac.jp/member/img/member_img/zu_matsuo2.jpg

http://herkules.oulu.fi/isbn9514259351/html/c227.html

Captain Kremmen
09-06-07, 06:42 AM
Here's a formerly secret released document on non-lethal military use of magic acid.
http://www.sunshine-project.org/incapacitants/azadehdel/superacids.pdf

Plus, the document has other non-lethal devices they dreamt up
in the "Sunshine Project"


The freedom of Information Act is very powerful in the USA. In the UK, we would never get information like this. It would be locked up for a hundred years.

SAM
How are you going to put Osteoclasts into a bath?

S.A.M.
09-06-07, 06:49 AM
SAM
How are you going to put Osteoclasts into a bath?

If I were particularly wicked I may invent a means of constitutively activating them.

Captain Kremmen
09-06-07, 06:58 AM
If I were particularly wicked I may invent a means of constitutively activating them.

Just as I thought.

Michael
09-06-07, 08:46 PM
But you'd need a sterile warm bath and a sterile body!
Maybe a shark aquarium would be easier.

dexter
09-19-07, 11:01 PM
Feed 'em to the pigs.

Roman
04-28-09, 12:12 PM
Make sure you bleach the shit out of everything. It will degrade most identifiable biologicals- your's or his- beyond recognition.

tuberculatious
04-28-09, 01:28 PM
what is the best chemical to use if you wanted to despose of a body, for example human.


peace.

Formic acid. Dissolves teeth as well.

Xylene
04-29-09, 12:22 AM
what is the best chemical to use if you wanted to despose of a body, for example human.


peace.

Hydrochloric acid would work--the secret police in Eastern Europe used to use sulphuric acid. They'd shoot someone, throw the body in a bath, and pour in enough sulphuric acid to completely cover the body. They'd leave it overnight--or over 24 hours if the body was particularly large--and when they'd decided that the person had been dissolved sufficiently they'd pull the plug out of the bath and what was left would be drained away into the sewers. Hence the term 'to liquidate' was literally true.:eek: The sewer rats must have had some interesting dinners...

BTW, why would you want to know how to dispose of a body?:D

Xylene
04-29-09, 12:27 AM
Alternatively you could take him out and feed him to your pet pirahnas.:cool:

Brian72103
07-19-13, 11:29 AM
It sounds like you may have been involved in writing that CSI episode where they used some sort of chemical to dissolve bones.

The safest and fastest way that I found was by using a base (not an acid). Lye was the base of choice ($12 for about 8 pounds, enough to completely dissolve several bodies). The problem is you have to heat the lye above the boiling point - so you need a really big pressure cooker but it would only take about 3 hours. I suppose you could probably make one.

Anyway, it seems they have been doing this in Mexico recently. Here is the article: h t t p : / / w w w . slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2009/12/soluble_dilemma . h t m l

Of course that is from 2009, but this post was started in 2007 - I just happened to stumble upon it. How is Tyrone there days?

Brian72103
07-19-13, 11:30 AM
Actually lye would do the trick in about 3 hours if heated to 300 degrees.

benzoic
11-01-13, 02:08 AM
Hydrochloric acid can dissolve the bone.
Acid class all can do this.

Billy T
11-01-13, 06:23 AM
Hydrochloric acid can dissolve the bone. Acid class all can do this. Thanks, but your a day late. I needed that yesterday, Halloween.

ankit7540
12-05-13, 07:22 AM
Any strong concentrated acid for dissolving off the tissue material will work for example concentrated nitric acid.

arauca
12-05-13, 09:37 AM
Any strong concentrated acid for dissolving off the tissue material will work for example concentrated nitric acid.

I don't know if it was mentioned , but EDTA will dissolve calcium , since bone contain calcium , so it should dissolve it