the sith have the force lighting and choke, but the jedi have the masters of the force like yoda and mace. so what are your shots on this?

yuzhon vong.

The darkside rulez!

the darkside is awsome and have the deathstar, "but that is insignificant next to the power of the force." the sith need to have more people instead of killing them all off.

I would say the Sith were stonger if you compared their force powers, but do you have to be dark and evil to use force lightening and choke? I would imagine all Jedi and Sith can control all aspects of the force.

Thank you thank you, I know I am better than the Jedi :C the darksidzz always wins over those puny dogs.

Anyways the sith will win, didn't you remember hearing him tell the tale of that Sith who could bypass life an death?! To bad he never learned how it was done, what a weird thing ehh?

Sith are way stronger force-power wise. Darth Sidius outdid Yoda with the force even.

The only advantage, is that the Jedi are much more mentally stable. You basically trade sanity for power.

Similarly, while Sith gain power much faster, Jedi can gain similar abilities. And quite easily overpower the Sith.

Another advantage the Sith have, though, is underhanded schemes that Jedi do not use. This lead to the destruction of 99.9% of the jedi in the movies.

Sith are way stronger force-power wise. Darth Sidius outdid Yoda with the force even.
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Dear Jeremy,

now young man i have to take you up on the above, Sidious did not have yoda, it was a draw.


The only advantage, is that the Jedi are much more mentally stable. You basically trade sanity for power.
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Agreed but it is not the only advantage

Similarly, while Sith gain power much faster, Jedi can gain similar abilities. And quite easily overpower the Sith.

Another advantage the Sith have, though, is underhanded schemes that Jedi do not use. This lead to the destruction of 99.9% of the jedi in the movies.


True.

Also Sith always back stab each other, (Sidious with Dooku for just one example), as is their lust for power and as they can only deal in absolutes this too is a weakness.

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take it ez
zak

Dear Jeremy,

now young man i have to take you up on the above, Sidious did not have yoda, it was a draw.


TECHNICALLY it was a draw. But Sidious lifted numerous senate chairs very rapidly, while Yoda took some time just to block one of them.


Also Sith always back stab each other, (Sidious with Dooku for just one example), as is their lust for power and as they can only deal in absolutes this too is a weakness.


Hence why there are only ever two. Never more. As Yoda said.

TECHNICALLY it was a draw. But Sidious lifted numerous senate chairs very rapidly, while Yoda took some time just to block one of them.


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True jeremy,

However Sids was just throwing them pods down at Yoda, which is much easier to do then stop one and then throw it back, remeber Yoda, was on a much lower platform. Also when yoda did throw one back in sid's face, he duck and dodged to another platform and looked completd shocked in the process!!

Also did not sids loose his saber prior to this (i know it was nto shown in the movie)

Also do you think Windu beat Sids or do you think Sids was faking it for the benfit of Anakins turn.

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take it ez
zak

True jeremy,
Also did not sids loose his saber prior to this (i know it was nto shown in the movie)

Yes he did. When Yoda and him were dueling, it ended up flying off along with Yoda's saber (so I think).


Also do you think Windu beat Sids or do you think Sids was faking it for the benfit of Anakins turn.


It depends. He wasn't even armed at that point I think.

According to George Lucas....neither...

The Jedi caused the Imbalance in the Force
The Sith Lords feed that imbalance

Jedi and Sith are two sides of a coin. The question is, who owns the coin?

and as they can only deal in absolutes this too is a weakness.
Totally unlike most people :)

the force owns the coin, duh

George owns the coin, baby...
(heh)
;)

Actually I would believe that Mace did beat Sidious fairly, but that Sidious knowing it was going to happen set it up so Anakin would have to rescue his butt. That is just the kind of twisted thing that Sidious does.

As for Jedi vs Sith, Jedi win out in the end but only by going back to before the strange mutation of the code that made them detached from scoiety. Luke most definately had a different Jedi Code than Yoda. Oddly despite a technically lower midicholorian count, Luke also performed feats that far outstripped what any previous Jedi or Sith had done. Calling down a solar flare is one thing, but moving a Black Hole in a way that did not draw on the Dark side? (shudder)

Actually, I believe it was because the original Jedi council were too caught up in their own ways. Tradition and all that.

Said tradition and traditional use of their powers brought about their destruction.

Darth Vader is the strongest.

how come luke could have destroyed vader plus yoda can defeat anyone given enough time

Luke cheated.

Luke becomes the strongest force weilder of all time.

Oh-- and some Jedi, too, can wield "Force Lightning". It is accepted Star Wars canon that Plo Koon (Jedi master with the funny mask seen exploding in a fighter, towards the end of Ep. III) can use Force Lightning with the best of 'em.

~String

Ok. Then Darth Vather is the most fashionable man :-)

Oh... and I voted for the Sith too... I always thought Darth Maul was kick ass!

I have read most of the SW books after vong, some vong, and some pre, and i also read Darth Bane. Jedi and Sith have the same powers suprisingly, its just how you use them. A jedi might only be inclined to use Lightning in an emergency, but would a sith use mind trick if necessary? Sith are virtually moralless. This leaves jedi in a delimma. if the enemy doesnt mind making alchemical monstrosities, how do they defeat them? the Sith do have a nasty culture. the favor more and more power. which is what got them killed. But the most powerful cannot be determined by powers. It is hands down Vader is the most powerful of the two. Pure midichlorines. Sure, Sithis was more powerful, but seperated from his Kaiburr crystal (amplifies the force) or Vader had a copy of his, Vaders powers would grow beyond possible imagination. However, a new sith lord, Jacen Solo, could possibly be as powerful due to a deep understanding of the Unifying force.

well doesn't the emporer have some sort of force block that allowed him to kill most of the jedi counsel and do some good battling against yoda. yoda couldnt stop the seats thrown at him so he was getting beaten quite well. all the sith seem to use it.

Yes! Darth Vader is the strongest!

well doesn't the emporer have some sort of force block that allowed him to kill most of the jedi counsel and do some good battling against yoda. yoda couldnt stop the seats thrown at him so he was getting beaten quite well. all the sith seem to use it.

Dear Fathom,

Thank you for your input

in no way did Sidiious have the smack down on Yoda in the senate room

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take it ez
zak

Allthough the Sith has the power to hide the plans under the very nose of the Jedi there are only two of them.
If the fight would be only Jedi against Sith. The Jedi would finaly win.
But Lord Vader would take out almost every Jedi before finally getting defeted.
The Jedi can be glad that Lord Vader in the end joined their side LOL

Jedi and Sith are two sides of a coin. The question is, who owns the coin?


Totally unlike most people :)

well the uinevers owns the coin
:jawdrop:

Hurray! Darth Vather!

Allthough the Sith has the power to hide the plans under the very nose of the Jedi there are only two of them.
If the fight would be only Jedi against Sith. The Jedi would finaly win.
But Lord Vader would take out almost every Jedi before finally getting defeted.
The Jedi can be glad that Lord Vader in the end joined their side LOL

well how come the sith always are killing off their old apprentices vader lasted the longest only because the other jedi were outnumbered by millions of clone troopers wich ended up killing all but a few wich darth vader slaughtered. yoda managed to escape but the 2 sith deafeted the rest. why are the sith so powerful other then the force block that they utilize to block other jedi force.

the sith have the force lighting and choke, but the jedi have the masters of the force like yoda and mace. so what are your shots on this?

Jedi.

Yes! Darth Vader is the strongest!

And are you Darth Vader?

Yes! Darth Vather! Hurray!

well how come the sith always are killing off their old apprentices vader lasted the longest only because the other jedi were outnumbered by millions of clone troopers wich ended up killing all but a few wich darth vader slaughtered. yoda managed to escape but the 2 sith deafeted the rest. why are the sith so powerful other then the force block that they utilize to block other jedi force.

That's what i mean. The sith uses troopers en others to kill off the jedi. But when it's cheer Jedi Vs Sith the Jedi would prevale just because of their number. But I think Darth Vader still would kick some Jedi butt. When yoda fought against count doku he said it woud be a fight with sabers because they where equal in force. So allthough Vader is the best swordsman he can't Kill them all. I think :bugeye: .... I hope :( .... damned what if i'm wrong???????????:eek:

No, not damned. then it is good.

No, not damned. then it is good.

lol

But most of the jedi are only padawan or padawan learners. so even though they are greater in number the jedi can lose if sideous uses force lightning and choke. plus they can use force push to hold them at bay to kill the master jedi. And i agree with Lord Vasago and Temur. Darth vader kicks butt but he does have over 10 mill clones on his side at all times.

It’s hard to compare Jedi vs. Sith, since you never know if the winner of a fight won because their “side” was better, or if they were just more powerful/better trained/luckier than the guy they were fighting.

But consider the final fight between Luke and Vader; Vader was easily kicking Luke around until Luke gave in to his hatred, at which point he became much stronger and began laying the smack down on Vader. So it seems that the dark side does indeed make a person stronger.

Also, didn't the novelization of Episode Three say that Mace Windoo basically had to begin to channel the dark side in order to beat Sideous during their duel in his office?

Like the Emperor said..."Embrace your feelings - and your hatred will make you powerful!"

Jedi can use any power the sith can but when you use a dark side power it calls up emotions that can lead to the dark side, and jedi would be more powerful because not only the fact that most jedi are the same as most sith they have *friends* to help them as with the sith they turn on each other, and as for the sith being able to cheat death we have no proof that they really had this power, Palpatine could have been telling a *lie* to get skywalkers attintion.

Luke was getting his ass kicked. Then he embraced the dark side, and immediately reversed the course of the ass-kicking. Nothing else changed, except that now he was channeling the dark side. It seems pretty clear.

Dont forget Luke had only been a jedi for a few years unlike Vader and the Emperor they had been useing the force for decades, And Luke becomes more powerful than any known sith lord.

Dont forget Luke had only been a jedi for a few years unlike Vader and the Emperor they had been useing the force for decades, And Luke becomes more powerful than any known sith lord.

Actually Luke had less than a year of formal force training by ROTJ and managed to survive prolonged Force Lightning attacks.

yeah well the emporer didn't use it in long periods of time only seconds at a time. which gave it time to wear off some of the damage. plus when he started to utelise the dark side of the force he became imperviouse to the affects of the emporer blocking his force. he then was able to use the dark side to become stronger. but luke sucks eggs. yoda is an ultimate user of the force. palpatine was winning only because he can block the good side of the fore. which weakend yoda a bit. on a different note how come now one who uses the force uses it to it's greatest potential? it could move an entire planet. so how come no one uses it to destroy the ships and droid armies. yoda had time to strengthen his body to be able to use the force like that, after all he did become 900 years old.he could stop death, he could ressurect the jedi, he could see all. but no one ever does, why?

imperviouse to affects? blocking the force? are you sure you arent a trekkie?

Cade Skywalker is the only jedi or sith that we really know can bring ppl back to life.

i am both a star wars and star trek fan but i do lean more to the star wars :cheers:

Ah well if your on our side i'm happy to have you

I am a great believer in The Darkside & it's power. Anger, pain & hate are great fuels to power The Darkside but can cloud your judgement.
Darth Vader was a mighty Sith but went all gay & defected back to the Jedi scum:bawl:
Darth Maul was impressive but his hate of the Jedi was his undoing, as he was hell bent on killing Obi Wan Kenobi, he did not take in all eventualities & Obi Wan did him good & proper.
Yoda gave Dooku a good slap & was more than a match for Sid
Mace Windu deffo had Sid but Sid gave it the big girl & Anakin saved him.
Sith v Jedi if it were down to numbers then Jedi deffo win. If it was on equal terms then Sith kick Jedi arse.
One truth, one hate!

Sith always wins!

The sith lose in the long run mate :P

Actually I would believe that Mace did beat Sidious fairly, but that Sidious knowing it was going to happen set it up so Anakin would have to rescue his butt. That is just the kind of twisted thing that Sidious does.

As for Jedi vs Sith, Jedi win out in the end but only by going back to before the strange mutation of the code that made them detached from scoiety. Luke most definately had a different Jedi Code than Yoda. Oddly despite a technically lower midicholorian count, Luke also performed feats that far outstripped what any previous Jedi or Sith had done. Calling down a solar flare is one thing, but moving a Black Hole in a way that did not draw on the Dark side? (shudder)

I don't think so. I don't see Sidious as so into his plans he'd "shoot" himself just to sway Skywalker. That's not even fake reasonableness for an unstable deciving luntic. First rule of being a lunatic...never place a gun to your own forhead. And then pull the trigger.

Qui Gon and Obi Wan also had that "propper perspective of the force" And in the books Vergere should us that that was once a Jedi way...love and hate combined with justice and conviction.

The best jedi will be the Baby of Mara Jade and Luke Skywalker (after Yuzon vong book's)
from movie: Vader / Maul yeah they kick ass !!!

from book's: after emperor,the Top 5 best jedi's are (for me)
Anakin Organa Solo (leia and Han's kids)
Luke Skywalker
Mara jade Skywalker
Jayna and jacen Organa Solo(twins leia and han's kids)

Actually I would believe that Mace did beat Sidious fairly...
Ah, but do we know that Mace hadn't started to draw on the darkside as well in order to beat Sidious? At first Mace just wanted to arrest him, but by the end of the fight he was determined to kill Sidious. Sounds like someone was starting to give into their hate a little bit...

jedis win

Ah, but do we know that Mace hadn't started to draw on the darkside as well in order to beat Sidious? At first Mace just wanted to arrest him, but by the end of the fight he was determined to kill Sidious. Sounds like someone was starting to give into their hate a little bit...


But Luke proved that there was nothing wrong with that. After being shownt he true nature of the Force he realized that emotion and purpose are equal parts of the Force and there is no darkside.

Yoda was wrong.

Jedi because they eventually won. Winners > losers. Other than that Palpatine a sexy beast (well almost as sexy as Padme). :p

Why does nobody in the Star Wars universe use a regular gun? The bullets would fly so much faster than those stupid lasers and totally own the jedi/sith (they couldn't block 'em fast enough with their sabers).

youtube.com/watch?v=-xgZsVAMo8I

Sith wins!

Ah, but do we know that Mace hadn't started to draw on the darkside as well in order to beat Sidious? At first Mace just wanted to arrest him, but by the end of the fight he was determined to kill Sidious. Sounds like someone was starting to give into their hate a little bit...

Actually Mace did develop the most aggressive form of lightsaber combat vaapad which comes close to Darkside, but for some reason cannot be practiced by one on the darkside. Something about being the clam in the middle of the hurricane.

However, I do not think Mace was giving in to his hatred as much as accepting reality. He knew Palaptine would get away with his crimes and would be back in power in record time. He knew that there was only one way to defeat him.

i like jedi

The Dark side have many abilities, some considered unatural.

Well, the jedis do have to live a life without sex, so I'd say Sith.

Superman!!:D

Superman Sucks eggs!!!!! He is the most cheapest hero ever.

I think that Sith are more powerful because they have more abilities. Jedi powers are limited. To access these powers, they have to give in to anger. "Anger leads to hate", an attribute of the dark side of the Force. Although I would say, they are not full turning to the dark side of the force. I would call Jedi not giving into the dark side, "pure jedi". So "pure jed" vs. sith would result in a sith victory.

I think Anakin Skywalker is the best!