i say beer,you can eat a steak without bread,but you cant eat a steak without beer.

If you really care...
Bread came first, but they are historically closely related.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bread

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer

By the way...
I don't like beer and can't have steak without bread.

actualy there is a huge scientific debate over whether or not man started farming for beer or for bread. and since fruits and vegitables and meat were readily availible for eating,bread would not have been nessasry for food until AFTER people had started eating it on a regular basis.

beer however,would be hard to make without large staples of grains,and the only way to achieve that would be to grow your own grains.foraging for grain is near impossible,growing it would be the only viable option.

Just because bread was not necessary, does not mean that people were not making it.
Bread is still not necessary (neither is beer).
Maybe I am missing the point.

bread was not nesessary for food,niether was beer.but beer is a drug and people like drugs,they like getting fucked up and doing some fucked up shit.

bread would have been hard as a rock,not very filling,near impossible to make,and pointless when so much other food was available.

no one would wants a piece of rock hard moldy bread over alchol,its just not going to happen.

trees are ripe with fruit and nuts,animals for meat were very aboundant,there was no need or want for bread,but there was always a WANT for beer[after the first few people got drunk].

beer has been a staple in almost every society for 10,000 years .
there are tons of civilizations that have alchol but have never had bread.

most of the hunter/gatherer tribes that are left have alchol but not bread.this is why i think beer started farmin,not bread.

Beer definitely.

Beer came first. Some caveman pissed in another caveman's mouth who was dying of thirst and the dehydrated caveman grunted, "Mmm, dis tastes goot!". Lo and behold, the birth of beer.

That same taste continues to this day..

Blech.

- N

your thinking of piss flavored american crystal lagers.they ALL suck.

there are hundreds of GOOD beer styles.

try a german dunkle weissbeir,and make sure you pour it in a glass,bottles are for babies.
or any ale for that matter.

beer has been a staple in almost every society for 10,000 years .
Not accoring to the links I posted.
Did you read them?

bread was not nesessary for food,niether was beer.but beer is a drug and people like drugs,they like getting fucked up and doing some fucked up shit.

bread would have been hard as a rock,not very filling,near impossible to make,and pointless when so much other food was available.
I don't get your point.
None of this says that beer came first.

bread was neither a need or a want 10,000 years ago.beer was a want and we all know people usualy get what they want.

also,beer was invented in iraq[babylon,mesipotamia] in about 8000bc.the egyptians had multiple types of beer,most arab nations had alchol until muhamed fucked it up fro all the towlies.

also,beer is easier to make from scratch then bread.bread requires some from of mill to grind the grains,beer is just fermented wort,which is just boiled grains.

and wikipedia is not 100% accurate when it comes to ''facts''.
they are more of a base refence then a detailed account.

bread was neither a need or a want 10,000 years ago.beer was a want and we all know people usualy get what they want.

also,beer was invented in iraq[babylon,mesipotamia] in about 8000bc.the egyptians had multiple types of beer,most arab nations had alchol until muhamed fucked it up fro all the towlies.

also,beer is easier to make from scratch then bread.bread requires some from of mill to grind the grains,beer is just fermented wort,which is just boiled grains.

And this juvenile communique is a 100% accurate, detailed account? You can't even spell Mesopotamia. Why should we believe you?

im sorry im not infalible like you,one miss spelled word and my entire message is negated.

thank you for correcting me, maybe someday i can be a perfect ass fuck like you, dip shit.

if you would like i can point every single one of your grammtical errors for you.

you made sevral in your last post. :rolleyes:


also,im studing to brew beer and i have baked bread before,i have a little more experince with the two then some 12 year old numb skull.

Then why do you type like one? I have a hard time believing someone without credibility.

spelling ability equals credibilty? your world must suck to live in.

because if you think someones view should be discreditied because of something as arbitrary as minor letter orginization your an idiot.

why not pick something even more obscure then a few typos?

like skin color,or sex? or maybe grammer? because that would negate ALL of your poorly worded views.

I couldn't agree with Roman more; correct usage of language is always a sign of credibility. Every day I witness how incredibly vapid the uber-management of the company I work for is simply by perusing the grammar, syntax and spelling errors to be found in their memos. The world that sucks is one where effective communication is hamstrung by laziness.

Anyways, back to the topic, the more interesting question is: is it possible to find a decent beer in America?

yes,try an american ale. sam adams makes a great ale.or try their summer brew.

is it possible to find a decent beer in America?

There are some fine microbreweries on the West coast. Northern California, Oregon and Washington all offer some pretty decent stuff.

most people dont know the diffrence between a lager and an ale.

lagers suck mega balls,ales are the spice of life.

ales are sweet and refreshing,lagers taste like cat pee.

i like bread

bread makes me poop.

Beer makes me pee.

It's the alcohol that humans (and other animals as well) want, not the particular form of it. Fruits ferment without even being picked, much less harvested and cooked. Even birds get inebriated by munching on fermented berries.

Humans didn't have to wait until someone invented beer in order to start getting drunk.

I read that both may have been dirived from porrige.

Oh, and I also read that there are written records of mesopotamian beer recipies were very similar to a modern Belgian beer called Lambic.

You can't get wasted on bread (unless it's full of ergot, which will get you spinning, because it's natural LSD) :eek: However, beer will get you off nicely, and fermenting liquid is dead easy. They probably would've used fruit juice instead of water because the latter couldn't be trusted to be clean--all you need to do in a hot country is add a bit too much sugar (or honey, more likely) to a fruit juice, or use over-ripe fruit that were fermenting--and you had a potential alcohol. Then you entered altered states of consciousness to varying degrees, and you found that communicating with the gods was easier when you were off your face ;) . Religion would've had a lot of uses for beer--the priests probably got blown away every time they went to the temple. Church must've been a blast back then, with everyone tiddly as goldfish and having a great old time. May be they should introduce it to services these days. Or maybe the tavern has become the new form of church.

...lagers taste like cat pee.Really! If you have any extra of those cats, I like one. :D

I would put my money on Odin's theory, that they both came from porridge.

What's up with mars13? :confused:

but you cant eat a steak without beer.
they like getting fucked up and doing some fucked up shit.
maybe someday i can be a perfect ass fuck like you
lagers suck mega balls
bread makes me poop.
Judging from the maturity of the posts, and lack of grammar, 13 must be referring to his/her age. :rolleyes:

thats like a 9 month old post right there,and its taken out of context,and i dont always try to type some intellectual drivel,i type whats on my mind at the time.


and the 13 is just because 22 got eaten by my bulk email folder and is gone forever.

the 22 would be for CATCH-22,but 13 is my backup number.

Something tells me in early man it wasn't a priority to get wasted. Most of the concerns would of been about food and foraging. Killed animals allowed for meat to be dried and stored where as bread allowed storage of food too.

suggestibly Bread was used as a form of currency in Egypt, although my info comes from computer games which are littered with inaccuracies.

Beer could of been used during religious ceremonies and was also known to be "rationed" with the building of the pyramids. (Obviously getting the workforce too wasted would of resulted in building delays)

Bread would of not required "Milling", just someone to thrash and then pound the seed into flour. As to whether there was any centralised storage thats dependant on civilisation and time period.

suggestibly Bread was used as a form of currency in Egypt, although my info comes from computer games which are littered with inaccuracies.
I believe bread was indeed used as a currency in Eygpt.

Bread would of not required "Milling", just someone to thrash and then pound the seed into flour. As to whether there was any centralised storage thats dependant on civilisation and time period.
You might be interested in looking into the production of bread during the Roman empire. They had some very big mills for the time which were powered by water delivered via aquaducts. Very impressive stuff. Also bread was given freely to the public at this time if I recall correctly. I'm currently studying bread making and its history...