im wondering what it would take for you people to go and blow urselves up killing x number of other people?

would it take someone disagreeing with ur religious belifs? (INCLUDING athiasts)

would it take someone taking ur resorces economically?

would it take someone taking your life or the lives of your family?

please think about it and answer honestly

First, you got to have a complete disregard of your own life, then you need an extreme hatred of the group or government that you are trying to harm.

what would push u over that edge?

thats the question

what would drive YOU to it?

religious differences?

economics?

a "lack of justice"?

or something else

(i know what would drive ME to murder as i have been there and its a good thing i dont know who those 3 are, but i would still hand myself over to face the consiquences)

what would drive you there?

Nothing would make me a terrorist. If I had grown up in a different environment that might not be the case, but the person I am now could never engage in terrorism. If someone harmed my family and were not going to meet justice otherwise I might take violent corrective action, but not terrorism.

fine water it down, if that makes it easier

what would make you kill a single person?

because if you will kill one will you kill 3, 10, 100, 10000 if they are doing the same things

im really tired of "they are religiouse nuts", the leaders MAY be but how do they recruit?

if you wouldnt die\kill for religion then im DAM sure no one else would

Originally posted by Asguard
im wondering what it would take for you people to go and blow urselves up killing x number of other people?

would it take someone disagreeing with ur religious belifs? (INCLUDING athiasts)

would it take someone taking ur resorces economically?

would it take someone taking your life or the lives of your family?

please think about it and answer honestly
Nothing would ever make me become a terrorist, it's not who I am. Just like nothing will ever make me gay, or a country music fan....

im really tired of "they are religiouse nuts", the leaders MAY be but how do they recruit?
You may be tired of it, but it's the truth. If people who blow themselves up with the hope of killing innocent people, aren't considered "religious nuts", who they the hell does?

Asguard,

Not all violence falls into the category of terorrism. If I went out and killed someone because they killed a family member of mine, that would be murder but not terorrism, as it would not be done for the purpose of forwarding any cause, it would just be personal revenge. However, as I said, if I had grown up in, for example, Palestine, I might well have become a terrorist, but as things stand, nothing could make me become one.

JPS: Never say never. For example, what if aliens or some other powerfull force took over your country or the world, and they killed half of everybody, enslaved another quarter, and put the remaining quater into slums. They then did unspeakable things everyday to many people. You were one of thier slaves and managed to steal some of thier weaponry. You then had the perfect chance to retaliate against them without getting caught. Surely you would take that chance? BTW this scenario is similar to a book I read called "way of the pilgrim" , but it's fictitious nature does not invalidate the question.

Originally posted by Asguard
what would push u over that edge?

thats the question

what would drive YOU to it?



Ok, perhaps if I was heavily drugged, lobotomized, and then be subjected to daily torture sessions, I could become a terrorist.

Originally posted by blankc
JPS: Never say never. For example, what if aliens or some other powerfull force took over your country or the world, and they killed half of everybody, enslaved another quarter, and put the remaining quater into slums. They then did unspeakable things everyday to many people. You were one of thier slaves and managed to steal some of thier weaponry. You then had the perfect chance to retaliate against them without getting caught. Surely you would take that chance? BTW this scenario is similar to a book I read called "way of the pilgrim" , but it's fictitious nature does not invalidate the question.
ok, i suppose you got me there.

Jps what if it was a goverment doing it to you?

THEN what would you do?

id fuck the system!

probably become a terrorist.....no actualy, a terrorist is defined as a person who kills innocent people.

i dont know what id be called if it was killing my government?

no the dictionary definition is someone who kills or causes terror for a political gain

In America it takes very little to make "you" a terrorist.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/mar2003/perl-m12.shtml

Not to mention the university lecturers and other jobs being forced out of their profesions or harrased simply for disagreeing with the USA and several of them who are unfortunate enough to be or middle eastern origins find themselves being deported.

ok, so id be a terrorist.

90% of this forums are terrorists lol.
Hell this place would be shut down as a "Terrorist training forum" lol.

What is terrorism anyway?
“As a terrorist is defined as a person who kills innocent people”
“innocent” is a subjective term. Most acts of terrorism are caused against democratic societies. We choose to live were we live and we support (by electing) the governments who act. It is debatable whether or not all victims of terrorism are truly innocent.
Or
“someone who kills or causes terror for a political gain.”
Soldiers kill and cause terror. Political gain is the result of this killing and terror.

In my opinion, terrorism is a legitimate form of warfare. – as legitimate as any other. The sooner we realize that, the sooner the chance of diplomacy and peace.

ds's on to something, and Psycho-Cannon its called "Terrorist indoctrination forum"

Originally posted by Asguard
im wondering what it would take for you people to go and blow urselves up killing x number of other people?

TAC responds: Probably spending a weekend at the Holiday Inn at Ramallah, the Hyatt House at Jenin or the Best Western hotel in Rufah :) and watching the IDF dogs ( excuse me for insulting you--dogs. )--inside the safety of a Merkava tank with its 6" steel construction and reactive armour--shooting basically unarmed Palestinian kids throwing rocks at the parasites in defense of their land, water, homes and their dignity!"

You folks seem to forget that "Even a mouse will attack, given enough provocation."

TheAZCowBoy, :D

"Standing up to the Z/rats in defense of the dignity and pride of the Palestinian people!" :p

Are you by any chance a Palestinian? If I may be so bold and ask you to elaborate on your antagonism towards the Jewish State Israel?

i notice NO ONE has chosen religious differences

why does this not surprise me?

Originally posted by Asguard
i notice NO ONE has chosen religious differences why does this not surprise me?

TAC: Probably because you are green all over and have funny looking ears! :P

Are you from some black hole out in the Orion Galaxy--or an orthodox Jewish rabbi zealot looking for "problemas" in those far-a-way places?

Maybe looking to bull doze people(?) houses and steal their UFO's? :D

TAC

cowboy is anti semite?

If he does not like Zionist Jews. He can not be Anti Semite.



What the F:eek: uk is anti smite anyway?

Originally posted by Hannibal
Are you by any chance a Palestinian? If I may be so bold and ask you to elaborate on your antagonism towards the Jewish State Israel?

TAC: Antagonism against the Apartheidnik Jewish state?

Hum, I see your parents didn't teach you much about morality and decency, huh? Well, maybe if you were in the Palestinian's shoes, you would find "empathy & compassion" somewhere deep inside of you, huh? :(

The pariah state of Israel, led by that Aztec bloody thug and mass murderer ZioNazi Arik Sharon should not get off so easy. I mean Slob Milosevic is doing time for doing over 18 months what the Zionist thugs have been doing for 54 straight years, right?

Palestinian? Naw, but my anscestors were the Palestinian's here on North America where the same European riff-raff came and murdered, plundered and raped to their hearts content.

With no Bible stories to justify their brutality thay invented the "Manifest Destiny Doctrime," theory. :(

And in the end they even stole our name--AMERICAN! :d

TheAZCowBoy,

I am a Canadian borned Palestinian whose parents immigrated to Canada after their home in Rafah was shelled to oblivion by the IDF.

Originally posted by Americano
If he does not like Zionist Jews. He can not be Anti Semite.

What the F:eek: uk is anti smite anyway?

TAC: An anti-Semite is someone that critisizes Jews or "anything" about world Jewry.

TheAZCowBoy dodges the "anti-semite" Jewish bullit, almost daily, but if rolls off my back, like water off a ducks back. :) I mean, when you say to them: "So what's more anti-Semitic than murdering Semitic Palestinian's on a daily basis, the stitches on their circumcision break and they go ballistic, jajaja. :D

But the truth is that the Palestinian's are "more" Semitic than the Jews who are in fact from Khazaria ( 520 BC ), a region in the Black sea/Cacasus area. They migrated to northern and western Europe in the 1850-1950 era and the world has regreted it ever since. If you study the demise of czarist Russia, you will find a Jew in every "nook & cranny" doing their best to destroy a GREAT SOCIETY.

Before 1850 95% of all the world's Jews lived in eastern Europe ( Ukraine, Georgia, etc, etc. ).

While charging interest ( usury ) is against the laws of the Q'uran ( thus so much proverty among Arabs )---it is usuary that has made the Jewish "worshippers of the golden calf" ( money ) some of the richest people on the planet. :( ( the old bible times "money changers," remember? )

It was their exaggerated usurious ways that made the German's turn on them in the 1890's/1910 time frame--then came the Holocaust!

The Talmud sez to the Jew "If you want to commit acts of usury go among the Goyim." Thus, there are few millionares in Israel that have made their fortunes off of other Jews.

Thought you might want to know.... no charge this time, OK?

TheAZCowBoy,

For more info: Get a copy of "The 13th Tribe," there you will learn much about these Khazarian/Turkish/Arabic/Jewish mongols. Ghengis Kahn's blood and DNA runs deep among the Khazarian/Jews and thus their bloody behavior in Palestine.

Pssst, if you clean up your vocabulary I have much to teach you.

"Read and learn from TheAZCowBoy--or ignore him and die stupid!" :eek:

PS: Next thing you'll want to know what a "Goyim" is, da?
Psst, go lQQk in the mirror---that's a Goyim!" :)

Originally posted by Hannibal
I am a Canadian born Palestinian whose parents immigrated to Canada after their home in Rafah was shelled to oblivion by the IDF.

TAC: One day there will be another Holocaust. In this holocaust the Godless Zionist Jew will discover that there is indeed a hell--and he will have the run of the place.

Please read:

Psalm 145:20

"Jehovah is guarding them that love him--and the evil ones he will annihilate." Your Q'uran should have the equivalent scripture, I am sure. ;)

Originally posted by TheAZCowBoy
TAC: One day there will be another Holocaust. In this holocaust the Godless Zionist Jew will discover that there is indeed a hell--and he will have the run of the place.


I look forward to that day when justice is finally delivered through providence.

To quote an old Jew…

"When we [followers of the prophetic Judaism] returned to Palestine...the
majority of Jewish people preferred to learn from Hitler rather than from us."
-Martin Buber


Truer words were never spoken I must say.


Psalm 145:20

"Jehovah is guarding them that love him--and the evil ones he will annihilate." Your Q'uran should have the equivalent scripture, I am sure. ;)

It would interest you to know that I have renounced Semitic mysticism ages ago and subsequently converted out of Islam not long ago. I’ve lost my faith in God and thus the Quran is rendered meaningless to me. Hopefully, logic and reason will be my spiritual guide from now on.


Btw, My elephant’s are doing fine. Should reach Rome with them soon. :D

Interesting how a question about terrorism turns into a battle over who's worse, the Israelis or the Palestinians.

To become a terrorist, one has to be evil and/or brainwashed.

90 percent of this forum are terrorists

Well, I don't fund terrorism, but I guess I can never know about the rest of you guys.

Terrorists are brainwashed, you're right, immane1.

Terrorism, however you define it, is wrong. But there are things much worse (or evil) than what most people define as terrorism. Terrorism did not kill ½ million Iraqi children. Sanctions that our governments imposed did.
I define terrorism as the act of terrorizing or scaring the living Sh!@ out of a population of citizens. For example, the public demo testing of a 21000 lbs “mother of all bombs” in Florida today. The only purpose this served was to tell Iraqi children and mothers “You are going to DIE soon”.

Sanctions that our governments imposed did.

I am so tired of hearing that kind of crap. Blame it on the government that is trying to keep peace in the Middle East instead of the dictator who actually caused it all.

That's like blaming France and England for killing all 7 million of the Jews, because after all, the Treaty of Versailles caused World War II, not Hitler. Hitler didn't kill the Jews, England did. So stupid.

The Iraqis are being starved because of Saddam.

I can just imagine... the war's over, and Saddam gasses everyone in the city of Baghdad. Then I log into the forums, "The US kills millions by attacking Iraq!!!!" by hyperwaders or whoever.

Originally posted by Balder1
I am so tired of hearing that kind of crap. Blame it on the government that is trying to keep peace in the Middle East instead of the dictator who actually caused it all.


What? Who's keeping peace in the Middle East? I don't hear of (even from CNN) Saddam gassing anyone. How many US troops are about to attack? 225000? After they destroy the lethal Iraqi drones (I have kites bigger than that) what the hell are they going to bomb? Stupid.
Do you have kids Balder? How would you like to be in Iraq tonight tucking your kids in their beds? How would you like explaining to them what they just saw on TV –Megaton bomb exercise blast by the US? How would you like to reassure them that daddy who needs to go protect his country will be alright? How would you like to reassure them that THEY will be alright?

Hitler killed jews. Saddam is not about to kill anyone. And if he wants to kill Jews, I'm sure Isreal is more than ready to deal with him.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hannibal
I look forward to that day when justice is finally delivered through providence. To quote an old Jew…

[B]"When we [followers of the prophetic Judaism] returned to Palestine...the majority of Jewish people preferred to learn from Hitler rather than from us," Martin Buber

Hannibal comments: "Truer words were never spoken I must say."

TAC replies: Martin Burber was indeed a man of wisdom and honor, and indeed a Torah Jew's Jew. But most atheist ZioNazi Jew's have little nice to say about him for in fact, "His words cut through Zionist treachery like God's sword through sin."

Hannibal: It would interest you to know that I have renounced Semitic mysticism ages ago and subsequently converted out of Islam not long ago. I've lost my faith in God and thus the Quran is rendered meaningless to me. Hopefully, logic and reason will be my spiritual guide from now on.

TAC: Sorry but "To give up on God is to give up on life." But may I ask, "who minds the store, in your adopted religion?" :)

TAC continues: "I have always pictured God inside a giant guilded pillar with many doors around its circumference. Every door ( Religion ) thinks their religion is it!" But indeed, all the doors open to and lead to the same God inside.

The Palestinian has as much love for order, justice, the arts, and especially education as the Jew. Perhaps this is what they hate most. In Kuwait, prior to the last Gulf War there were thousands of Palestinian's running Kuwait for the Al-Sabah low lives ( and rapist of Filipino domestic workers ). After the gulf war they ousted all Palestinian's ( to please their US masters ). Indeed, Kuwait is worse for it now.

TAC continues: It's too bad that US ambassador, (Ms.) Guillispe, lied to Saddam when he asked if the US was interested in coming in between his countries problems--i. e. his problems with Kuwait.

A. Kuwait was pumping in excess of their OPEC oil quota thus driving the world cost of oil through the basement to please US SUV's.

B. Kuwait ( using US developed "slant well technology" ) was pumping oil from the Iraqi side of the oil rich strata that runs beneath both countries conjoining borders.

The US ambassador said "NO," the US then sucker punched Saddam--and the rest is history! :(

Hannibal: BTW, My elephant's are doing fine. Should reach Rome with them soon. :D

TAC: Be aure you take your elephant "popper scoopers" for the Roman's go ballistic if you smell up Rome and the imperial gardens.

I wish you peace and prosperity in your adopted country and with your new God, the land that thinks that US prez DIM BULB is a jerk and an idiot!" :D

Oh well!

God bless!

TheAZCowBoy,

"Read and grow wise with TheAZCowBoy--or reject him and die stupid!"

Who's keeping peace in the Middle East?
I know that Saddam sure isn't. I thought that the reason we had those sanctions was to keep the militaristic Iraq weakened and stop Saddam from attacking his neighbors again. Iraq was sanctioned in response to invading Kuwait.

Terrorism did not kill ½ million Iraqi children. Sanctions that our governments imposed did.
These are the United Nations sanctions. Besides that, Saddam is exporting just as much oil and importing just as much food and medicine as he did before the sanctions, these things just aren't going to the poor, starving people.


don't hear of (even from CNN) Saddam gassing anyone. Hell, you're not dumb enough to think he'd do it while the inspections are going on, are ya? Its fairly well known that he gassed the Kurdish rebels, but other than that its mostly speculation.

Do your homework next time, instead of just reading sciforums. I'll say it one more time: these sanctions aren't starving the Iraqis, Saddam is.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/iraq990913.html

Originally posted by dsdsds
Hitler killed jews. Saddam is not about to kill anyone. And if he wants to kill Jews, I'm sure Isreal is more than ready to deal with him.

TAC comments: "Very interesting--the US can't find O'Sammy "El Che" bin Laden--so they want to attack impotent Iraq!"

The Jews can't kick the German's arses in revenge for the Holocaust--so they accept free diesal submarines (3) and billions of German Mark$ as reparations from the Krauts and then attack the downtrodden Palestinian's!"

Like water--this particular "Axis of Evil," takes the path of least resistence, huh dsdsds?"

Surprisingly enough, Saddam "The Butcher" does not hold any spectacular records for murdering anyone. For indeed, in the gold medal catagory, the highest total of massacred civilian's class, the US holds the record at 3,000,000 Vietnamese men, women and children, circa 1964-1967. [ I'll skip the 19,000 gallons of toxins ( Agent Orange ) that were poured on the hapless survivors and the long term affects of these toxins that still reverberate throughtout Vietnam's population 35+ years later--OK? ]. :(

And can anyone compare any of Saddam's atrocities to Israel's? I render a big fat NYET! For Israel's 28,000 massacred civilian residents of Lebanon, summer of 1982; with another 500,000 other civilians left wounded, maimed, and homeless. [ I'll skip the Sabra & Shatila IDF/Phalangist pogroms and the IDF massacre of 201 Palestinian, mostly women and children at the Qana ( UN Army base ), Lebanon - April 18, 1996 - massacres, OK? ].

The answer is another big fat NYET! :(

TheAZCowBoy,

"The walking encyclopedia on genocide--for "all" sides!" :eek:

Next week: The Sharon massacres at Qibya-an Aztec bloody "Born ZioNazi Killer" becomes his countries heart throb, hero, and future fat penguin, err, err, I mean, Prime Minister!"

actully i was thinking of irland, the terriosts who "hate the US for there freedom", palistine

basically all of them

Originally posted by Asguard
im wondering what it would take for you people to go and blow urselves up killing x number of other people?
For me it would take not very much.
I have paused many time and wondered (as an example), what will I be doing if I were in the shoes of many Palestinians that have lost homes and loved one to Israel’s state terrorism.
After I spent some time in Israel and although living in the Israeli side, moved frequently to occupied territories to get a feeling on the other side of the story. I came to the conclusion, that if I was in a position like many Palestinians, not able to flee, not able to get justice for crimes committed against them, I will certainly become a terrorist, not against civilians but systematically and intellectually against the Israeli State.
I will also not conduct suicidal actions, but systematically try to take as many government and military officials with me as I can.
:m:

Originally posted by TheAZCowBoy
TAC comments: ... For indeed, in the gold medal catagory, the highest total of massacred civilian's class, the US holds the record at 3,000,000 Vietnamese men, women and children, circa 1964-1967.

Do you AZC or anyone have a link showing statistics of war mortality for 20th century? More specifically, Which nations are on top or really "holds the gold". Probably Nazi Germany would be up there. USA would be pretty close with it's 2 bombs and Vietnam.

sorry for going off topic

Originally posted by Balder1

Do your homework next time, instead of just reading sciforums. I'll say it one more time: these sanctions aren't starving the Iraqis, Saddam is.

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/iraq990913.html

Can't argue with someone who does his homework from reading ABC news. I yield to your boundless wisdom.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Balder1
[B] Blame it on the government that is trying to keep peace in the Middle East instead of the dictator who actually caused it all.

TAC responds--with his usual intensity. :) Lemmie try and decipher your hieroglyphics regarding what you're trying to say OK Baldy? :)

The US is the purveyor of peace in the Middle East because:

a. It continously pours billion$ in weaponry into the Middle East ( like the NYFD poured billions of gallons of water into the WTC site on 9-11 ) to "keep the peace."

b. It arms the LIKUDNIK thugs and disarms the Arabs because:

1. G.W. Bush's great inspiration is Jesus Christ or was it Atilla-the-Hun?

2. The US is indeed the self annoited "even handed" peace negotiator--and as proof, we see that two major Israel apologists--Dennis Ross & the CIA's George Tenet, have headed ME peace efforts on behalf of the US over the past 9+ years.

3. Under the US full employment Act we must keep our munitions and arms builders busy sending F-16's and AH-64a Apache attack helicopters bristling with Hellfire/TOW antitank missiles to murder Arabs---even during those dreadful periods when no one is wanting to kill anyone--God forbid! :D

4. It looks the other way as Israel exalts its 400+ nuclear bomb capabilites and intimidates its neighbors but telling them that if they ever kick Israel in the gonads with a well placed WTC type of surprise attack that--they will nuke 'em!

(or)

"Israel is the purveyor of peace in the ME because it:

a. It murder's Palestinian civilians on a daily basis in violation of UN Human Rights Protocols, the US Export Arms Act and human decency--while the "US looks the other way, of-course!" :)

b. "Ilegally" demolishes the homes of "suspected" Palestinian terrorists or their surviving widows and children, in cases where, quite often, the IDF has committed an "Extra-Judicial Execution" i. e. murder of a terrorist "suspect." The US president complains thereafter because "The Arab League" sends money to the widows and orphaned children of ZioNazi Israel's state sponsored terrorism--Note: And the US points it finger in anger and sez: "See Saddam rewards Palestinian terrorism! ( Vomit! ) :eek:

c. It confiscates more and more pieces of the remaining 23% of the British Balfour Declaration land grant to Palestine. While the ZioNazi's currently own 77% of the entire land grant. ( While the US just :) ).

d. It builds more and more JEWISH ONLY By-Pass roads--( not racists, huh? ), confiscating or destroying even more Palestinain turf--bull dozing Palestinian olive grooves, vineyards and fertile farmland in hopes of "keeping the Peace?' ( Vomit! ). The US just looks, listens, then sticks its finger up its arse--while saying nada! :(

e. It continues to build "illegal" Settlements on the West Bank & Gaza--200,000 Settler vipers currently infect Palestine--a doubling of Jews in embryonic Palestine since Oslo I & II was signed by the ZioNazi low life Bibi Natanyahu!

Humm, am I missing something Balder1?

Please write soon, ya hear?

And if you do, please tell me where I have strayed on my discription of the activites of the "Evil Axis Twins," DBA: Murder, Inc, and how this "Monster" Saddam Hussein is to blame for Israel's intransigence and Aztec-like blood letting and the US' tacit hypocrisy-OK?

TheAZCowBoy, VA-ROOOOOOOM! :p

"Read and grow wise with TheAZCowBoy--or die stupid!"

Love it!
Valid points well presented:D :D :D

Q: Why arab suicide bombers, why don't we see Jewish suicide bombers?


A: would you give your life for your neighbours country...?

Originally posted by Vortexx
Q: Why arab suicide bombers, why don't we see Jewish suicide bombers?

TAC replies: Because they can murder from a safe distance thanks to the sophisticated weapons of war the US provides Israel to murder basically unarmed Palestinian's with." :)

A: would you give your life for your neighbours country...?

TAC: Depends if the attacker also has me on his laundry list of "Things to do."

TheAZCowBoy,

Just noticed the title of this thread again.
Read it carefuly.
I think we need to correct the spelling or revise or responses to this entire thread...

goffy can u fix it please

Originally posted by Asguard
would it take someone taking your life

After that I think it might be a little late for me to become a terrorist. ;)


But, when I hear people say there is nothing they would be willing to kill or die for, it actually makes me kind of sad.
It makes me think that either they have nothing that they are that passionate about, or they do not have the strength to stand up for their convictions.

Either way, I think it is sad.

Depending on how you look at it, I could already be one perhaps?

and thus their bloody behavior in Palestine
You seem to know a lot about it,…what about the bloody behaviour of the palestinians in Lebanon, purpetrading homicide, mass-murder, torture, remember for example the pasport murders on the streets of lebanon? The Killing of innocent civilians. (christians) While Israelians did nothing to prevent it.
Only when the newly sworn prez was killed, they became involved, and THAT's when they acted in SABRA & SHATILLIA
However I do not justifie revenge, I think it's wrong anyhow.

Hanibal:
logic and reason will be my spiritual guide from now on.
Have you tried boudhism? Or Soefism? Those are peacfull I recall,…aren’t they?
I’m glad that you are growing in your personal being, It took me several years to take down the programmature of discrimination and hatred, my father and other factions had build into me, and to see things clearly as they are. Me too went to look for the truth, and sometimes I didn't like it.

But In the end it is worth it, I see the truth now, altough many people are still convinced they must kill other people in order to gain money, (usur) or interests and power over other people (economics and trade war this is), this world will only gain something (reach satisfaction and not retribution, I mean) when the people upon it all work together to get off this hump of earth as soon as possible and become a space faring peoples.

Let every race have it’s planet in the cosmos,…that should be a goal. And there would be peace. Ofcourse: that won't happen: it's more likely the most powerfull world-nation, will fight for the resources of the other planets too, no matter how you extrapolate the situation to other kinds of situations, there's only a solution if everybody wants to live in peace, no matter what the other's beliefs may be. And as long as it doesn't interfere with this 'other' peoples wealing and dealing ofcourse: read: ursunianist don't prey upon others!


It’s so damn painfull to see that people are destroying the world instead of building it.
With the money they invest into warfare, it would be possible to mount a Space kolony.


Immane1
To become a terrorist, one has to be evil and/or brainwashed.
I think, to become a terrorist, it suffices to be labeled that way,…

It’s impossible to declare law (whether it be internationally or nationally law), upon the more powerfull. If there’s someone who rules out the other party, the surpressed freedom-fighters become instantely the other party’s ‘terrorists’.


Dsdsds:
Terrorism, however you define it, is wrong. But there are things much worse (or evil) than what most people define as terrorism.
Indeed there are more insanity’s happening, and sometimes it’s not even humans who act, but nature,…it’s sometimes human nature that’s not reacting accordingly, as they should.
That’s what’s wrong in the whole picture. While goverments really should think about other things then making war, they do,…unfortunately. That's what's wrong and therefore I say: "Not in my name"! Not because that would imply that I support the other fraction or doctrine. That's a false dillemma.

Terrorism did not kill ½ million Iraqi children. Sanctions that our governments imposed did.
If saddam however held any interest in it’s citicens, then he, on his turn, if he would be the ‘humble’ leader, would do everything that would be in his power to turn this situation around. If, for examle, he’d redirect the revenue’s of the oil-smuggling towards humanitarian causes, don’t you think he wouldn’t be such a dictator afterall?
The fact that he is a dictator, doesn’t give another country the right to kill him, destroy his country, it’s people, or it’s revenue’s.

If one is to act correctely, one can only wait and hope for better to come, as you understand, this cannot be done peacefully. We have to act. I also say a war is NOT the right thing to do.
I’ve offered many alternatives, unfortunately it is like KONG FU TZU said before: means and ends are convertible terms, literally:
If language is not correct, then what is said, is not what is meant. If what is said is not what is meant, then what must be done remains undone. If this remains undone, morals and art will deteriorate; if justice goes astray, the people will stand about in helpless confusion. Hence there must be no arbitrariness in what is said. This matters above everything.




I define terrorism as the act of terrorizing or scaring the living Sh!@ out of a population of citizens. For example, the public demo testing of a 21000 lbs “mother of all bombs” in Florida today. The only purpose this served was to tell Iraqi children and mothers “You are going to DIE soon”.
That sums it up quiet nicely, but rather what the states are profiting from now, is the fact that there is a huge sentiment amongst the Americans in regards to what happened on September the 11th. What bush does, is he uses this sentiment, to fullfill his own goals.
People will not take distance from it, since it offers them a, (for them ‘legitimate’) cause to act, to take REVENGE. That’s what it’s about, it always has been an acumulation of causes that causes other things to take place.

To stop it, everyone should give it up, and tell the truth to eachother,…

Dsdsds:
How would you like explaining to them what they just saw on TV –Megaton bomb exercise blast by the US?
they don’t watch tv, the’re not allowed to, information is not free. Signals are scrambled.
In the US, the media, are in the pockets of the jewish lobby, they will tell the american public that it’s time to retaliate. Thus trowing more wood on the fire.

To defuse this situation, one must acknowlegde, that both sides are in the bussiness of killing eachother. That first thing is the one thing that allows for people to make up there own minds,….and just before they do that, they would be killed by some people who are willing to die for their ‘righteous’ cause.

People like these, live in an illusion. In an de-lusion, where they claim there’s a GOD-damn-GOD who tells them to KILL the ‘non-believers’.

Fuck that shite man! Just being at peace with themselves is a hard thing to do, and they ALL blame the ‘other’ for the turmoil that takes place inside their harts.

If one is to forgive, it can only be done by causing no more harm,…and gaining trust again.

FUCK it’s like having your wife promisquing her way out of mariage, and afterwards: when she comes to the calmer ages, she draws the conclusion, that her mariage was better before, and wants you to take her back.

What do you say? You have people who will kill for that too, you know.

Balder1:
Iraq was sanctioned in response to invading Kuwait.
so don’t you think;
-That China has to be santioned because they invaded (and still occupies) Tibet?
-That the US should be santioned because they eventually WILL invade Iraq, Iran, and who knows who else.
-That Israel should be sanctioned, for invading and occupying large pieces of land, that don’t belong to them in the first place?

Microzoft:
I will also not conduct suicidal actions, but systematically try to take as many government and military officials with me as I can.
That would be indeed far better strategy, than all these suicide bombers, and it’s better to direct terror towards an advarsary, who has military capabilities, then I can imagine, that there ‘would’ be something possible as an honorable ‘death for the cause’ thing.
But to dissolve your actions to innocent citicens, is just stupid in terms of strategic concequences. However: since this conflict is indeed about beliefs,…islam vs Christianity (lebanon), Zionism vs Islam, and vise-versa, it’s not surpisingly to notice that the ones targetted are the ones that share these beliefs, not the ones to fight in it’s name.

Then they would have label them: guerilliero’s,…instead of terrorists.

However: since the occupation, they technically would become ‘freedom-fighters’ IF they would fight off the millitary. They rather chose to keep to the retoric of fundamentalism, and fight in the name of religion.

It DOES change a lot.

And that defines a terrorist I think. But a terrorist is not the same as terrorism Terrorism can be purpetrated by nations, situations, even nature can be terrorising.

Enough said: > reactions please.



Greetz
fukushi