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platzapS
01-30-03, 01:27 PM
I was just wondering, did Einstien believe in God. Not that he was perfect, I just think he might have had a couple of good ideas;)

spacemanspiff
01-30-03, 01:35 PM
i was under the impression that he beleived in God. maybe not organized religion so much.

Cris
01-30-03, 01:42 PM
There are many references on the web to Einstein's beliefs.

Both atheists and theists declare him as their own.

But you will find that he definitely did not believe in the personal god of Christianity, he described such an idea as childlike.

He also made the statement in a letter that from the view of a Jesuit priest I am and have always been an atheist.

He has also stated that he believed in the God of Spinoza.

Spinoza was a Dutch philosopher who essential said that nature is God. To Einstein this would make sense since he saw beauty and order in the laws of physics and nature.

Certainly he did not believe in the heaven/hell/prayer/faith constructs offered by the traditional religions.

biblthmp
01-31-03, 11:27 AM
According to a biography of him, that all the scientific evidence points to the God of the gospels, but he declared himself to be an agnostic because he couldn't understand how God could allow his people (the Jews) to be destroyed by the Nazis. He was Jewish, by heritage.

Cris
01-31-03, 01:40 PM
biblethmp,

that all the scientific evidence points to the God of the gospelsCan you provide an actual quote from Einstein where he said this?

I am quite sure that this is a significant Christian twisted interpretation.

It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
-- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930
I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the kind that we experience in ourselves. Neither can I nor would I want to conceive of an individual that survives his physical death; let feeble souls, from fear or absurd egoism, cherish such thoughts. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life and with the awareness and a glimpse of the marvelous structure of the existing world, together with the devoted striving to comprehend a portion, be it ever so tiny, of the Reason that manifests itself in nature.
-- Albert Einstein, The World as I See It
It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

biblthmp
01-31-03, 01:51 PM
came across the following quotes cited in Ronald Clark's well known biography (p. 622). You may know them, but I thought it might be worth calling them to your attention anyway.

Just as he dotted the i's and crossed the t's of his scientific beliefs during the last year or so of his life, so did he recapitulate his religious convictions. To Dr. Douglas he stated: "If I were not a Jew I would be a Quaker." And in an interview with Professor William Hermanns, he said: "I cannot accept any concept of God based on the fear of life or the fear of death or blind faith. I cannot prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him I would be a liar."As to what one could believe in, the answer was simple enough. "I believe in the brotherhood of man and the uniqueness of the individual. But if you ask me to prove what I believe, I can't. You know them to be true but you could spend a whole lifetime without being able to prove them. The mind can proceed only so far upon what it knows and can prove. There comes a point where the mind takes a higher plane of knowledge, but can never prove how it got there. All great discoveries have involved such a leap."

Datura
01-31-03, 01:53 PM
http://www.integralscience.org/einsteinbuddha/

"If there is any religion that would cope with modern scientific need, it would be Buddhism." -Einstein