what is hyperspace?

Discussion in 'Astronomy, Exobiology, & Cosmology' started by naeema, May 12, 2003.

  1. naeema Registered Member

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    i have heard this term many times but am unsure of its meaning. does hyperspace refer to what one would be in if one was to go through a wormhole?

    is there time/gravity/anything in hyperspace? is travel through hyperspace instantaneous?
     
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  3. Beercules Registered Senior Member

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    Hyperspace is extra dimensional, uhh space. That is, space that has more than the normal 3 spatial dimensions. Such a notion is popular in physics these days.
     
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  5. naeema Registered Member

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    ok so where does hyperspace exist? can you go to hyperspace? what universal laws exist in hyperspace? are those laws different from the universal laws that we follow, or are they the same?

    what happens in hyperspace?

    and dont we live in 4 dimensions; height width depth and time?
     
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  7. Beercules Registered Senior Member

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    We live in a 4D universe with 3 spatial dimensions and one temporal. The question of where such extra dimensions would be difficult to answer. Imagine being a 2D stick person living on a flat sheet of paper. Being 2 dimensional, you only know of left, right, back and forward. If some other stick person talked about extra dimensions beyond that, you would not be able to imagine where "up and down" could possibly be. We are in the same situation, since we can only percieve 3 dimensions, we have nothing in our experience to relate to "where" they would be. All we can do is treat the dimensions mathematically like the others.

    Now it really depends on the theory as to what happens in these extra dimensions. In string theory and supergravity, the same laws of physics that apply here apply there. That is, the are just like the other 3 spatial dimensions we know in terms of the physical laws. But in some models based on M theory, gravity is the only thing that can travel through all these extra dimensions.
     
  8. naeema Registered Member

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    so are you saying that hyperspace has different dimensions and thats how its different from our 4d universe?
     
  9. Pollux V Ra Bless America Registered Senior Member

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    If you want to get a real feel for the whole dimension thing I'd such reading Abbott's Flatland. It's quick and very well done.
     
  10. Jade Squirrel Impassioned Atheist Registered Senior Member

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    I'm curious about this now too. I think I'll put that one on my reading list. I like the quick part; I get bored easily.
     
  11. iwannaknowit Registered Member

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    Grab a book called Hyperspace
    by michio kaku
    It also awesome expalins the previous book mentioned "Abbott's Flatland"

    makes you think
     
  12. Jade Squirrel Impassioned Atheist Registered Senior Member

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    I believe I will look into some of his work as well. Thanks!
     
  13. herbicide Registered Member

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    OK, here goes, (and bear with me) Hyperspace is the term for what someone on the 'outside' sees when a ship travels through a wormhole.
     
  14. Pollux V Ra Bless America Registered Senior Member

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    You wouldn't really see them go through the wormhole, would you? If you live long enough you'd see them get close but then they'd freeze there.

    But that's black holes. Damn.

    Yeah, Flatland's a cool book, but my loser classmates didn't like it that much (was written in the late 19th century, has the prissy-prissy english language etc, but still awesome). So, Jade Squirrel, I'm just telling you--there's a chance you won't like it. But of course that won't make you a loser

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  15. Jade Squirrel Impassioned Atheist Registered Senior Member

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    It's okay, I promise I won't be mad at you if I don't like it.

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    Actually, I believe one of my friends (an extremely eccentric fellow writer) mentioned this book to me before, but at the time I just dismissed the referral as more of his jargon-filled banter.
     
  16. Child of rats Registered Member

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    It is jargon-filled banter.

    But it's damn fascinating jargon-filled banter. Although I warn you, it does not subscribe to the feminist point of view.

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    I had a copy of it smaller than your average cell-phone. Carried it around in my pocket and read it on the bus or on slow days at work under the register. *eyedart* shh! If you can find a copy like that, it's a nice thing to have around, to pull out and amuse yourself with.
     
  17. Kirk Gaulden Registered Senior Member

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    Hyperspace

    Hyperspace is an area of bosonic-fermion dynamics as a
    principal of equivalence for the universe as zero point energy.
     
  18. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    What Beercules said

    Apprently people arn't getting it so lets recap: hyper-space or 4th and higher spatial dimensional space is beyond are puny 3D brains from comprehending. Let see there is up and down (Z and –Z), left and right (Y and –Y), forwards backwards (X and –X) and then in 4th dimension there is klich and sqab (W and –W) (Ok so I made up those words because we have no terms for movement in a 4th plain!) if you want to get to hyperspace all you have to do is move klich or sqab, just like the stick man moving above or below the paper. How do you move klich or sqab? Who knows just like asking the stick man how do you move up or down. Yes Flatland is good for teaching you how to deal with concepts that are beyond perception.

    Also Pollux V: wormholes you can get out of because they don’t go to a bottomless void, they connect two points and as a result you there is no event-horizon were things fall down infinitely or faster then light.

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    this is what a wormhole would look like.
     
  19. Red Devil Born Again Athiest Registered Senior Member

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    Hyperspace to me is hyperthetically there but no-one can prove its existence. Hyperspace was the invention of Sci Fi writers to move an object impossible distances in the shortest time. Another possible, hyperthetical, way to travel is to fold space. Some fantastic means of gripping two points, pulling them together, then "stepping across". When and if the human race does attain this means of travel is in the laps of the gods and it certainly is millennia away. But then again, so was space travel, 100 years ago

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  20. eburacum45 Valued Senior Member

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    The 'folding space' concept is essentially the same thing as the wormhole concept;
    you have two points connected by an Einstein/Rosen bridge, the connection implies a higher order space for the connection to occur in, but the wormhole doesn't have to have any length;
    if the two points in space are directly connected you just step straight through (it would look something like Wellcookedfetus' image above).

    So you would not actually move any distance in hyperspace when going through a wormhole. It may be necessary to use the concept of hyperspace to explain wormholes and multiply connected spaces, but you can't neccesarily see it or go there.

    http://www.orionsarm.com/tech/wormhole_design_and_physics.html
    http://www.orionsarm.com/tech/wormholes-faqs.html
     
  21. Crisp Gone 4ever Registered Senior Member

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    No you cannot go to hyperspace.
    Yes, it is simply a mathematical concept.
    Yes, it is popular in science fiction and popular science, but "going to hyperspace" is like "handing over that matrix" or "stepping on a vector". Does not quite make sense. Now everybody freeze before I integrate you all

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  22. Canute Registered Senior Member

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    I have never understoof how flatlanders, who are by definition infinitely thin and thus invisible to one another, can exist, let alone sit around wondering about other dimensions.

    Most (all?) flatland scenarios cheat and assume that there is just a little bit of a third dimension.
     
  23. Kirk Gaulden Registered Senior Member

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    What hyperspace is?

    The definition of hyperspace is an area of physical bosonic-fermion
    dynamics that reconstitutes energy through dipoles interaction as
    zpf_m*u:{x_i.y_j,z_k,t_l}vac/r_dk^4, is a physical place of multi-torsion field effect.
     

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